"Looking the part"

NEsnake12

We all talked about how we need bigger/faster/stronger "rare human" athletes if we're going to compete on the national scale against teams like Bama. So here's a quick little comparison between the 2016 and 2017 classes, stats taken from the official UW press releases not the TBS sites where they overestimate height:

Avg. Height
2016: 6'0.88"
2017: 6'2.5"

Avg. Weight
2016: 208.22
2017: 225

Now obviously some slight differences in the positions we took impacted the results (1 more OL and 1 more WR in '17, 1 more RB and 1 more DB in '16), but in general the positional distribution was pretty even.

whuggy

You're still not getting USC, OSU and
Bama level athletes on both lines.
Until that happens, conference championships
are the ceiling.

NEsnake12

whuggy said:

You're still not getting USC, OSU and
Bama level athletes on both lines.
Until that happens, conference championships
are the ceiling.

No shit. But the point is that it's a step in the right direction.

GrundleStiltzkin

And then you have guys like Bryant, Bain & Ahmed who look 32. In a good way.

whuggy

NEsnake12 said:

whuggy said:

You're still not getting USC, OSU and
Bama level athletes on both lines.
Until that happens, conference championships
are the ceiling.

No shit. But the point is that it's a step in the right direction.

Yeah but that step is huge. Sarell, Tui.,
Tufele, Tucker, Wyatt Davis are a big step
up from what we ended up with. I'm not
downgrading who we got on the lines.
They're all nice players. Just not "big boy"
good.

Nurple

Screw everyone this thread is bonerfied

DawgFader

GrundleStiltzkin said:

And then you have guys like Bryant, Bain & Ahmed who look 32. In a good way.

Now we just need a few DL and OL who look 32 in a good way.

Nurple

DawgFader said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

And then you have guys like Bryant, Bain & Ahmed who look 32. In a good way.

Now we just need a few DL and OL who look 32 in a good way.

DawgFader said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

And then you have guys like Bryant, Bain & Ahmed who look 32. In a good way.

Now we just need a few DL and OL who look 32 in a good way.

DawgFader said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

And then you have guys like Bryant, Bain & Ahmed who look 32. In a good way.

Now we just need a few DL and OL who look 32 in a good way.

Does that mean young looking enough to score minors?

whlinder

So I'm confused. Do we or don't we look like Ohio State Groz?

Mad_Son

The nice thing is on our lines, the back up guys we signed, have high ceilings. They aren't the high probability of success guys we want but at least if things go the right way they could be about as good. Obviously I don't want guys who have a lower chance of being successful but this is a big move forward from the backups where they aren't pre-destined to be nothing more than lumbering lumps of gelatin.

Dennis_DeYoung

I wholeheartedly support what @NEsnake12 is trying to say.

We got a bunch of guys who have rare size/movement combos:

Salvon is big for how fast he is.
All three of our receivers have great size.
Hunter and White TE are both huge.
All 3 of our OL are big guys who move well.
Ali Gaye is the definition of a rare human.
Tryon is ridiculous: 6-5, 240 and fast.
Ngata is big, fast and has a big frame.
Keith Taylor is fucking 6-3 and McKinney is a big 'un as well.

Only Haener, Molden and Lolohea are guys that aren't especially big for their positions.

In the last couple years we've had to take kids that were not like that and there have been some reprecussions.

If I could have done literally anything with this class I would have simply added AVT or Fozzy and retained Marlon (and dropped Haener).

This class was outstanding and 2-3 players away from being elite.

DugtheDoog

Mad_Son said:

The nice thing is on our lines, the back up guys we signed, have high ceilings. They aren't the high probability of success guys we want but at least if things go the right way they could be about as good. Obviously I don't want guys who have a lower chance of being successful but this is a big move forward from the backups where they aren't pre-destined to be nothing more than lumbering lumps of gelatin.

We? could have really used a future top 5 pick like James Atoe. Or steal a guy away from Oregon the caliber of Jared Hilbers. Quite honestly.

jecornel

You're still not getting USC, OSU and
Bama level athletes on both lines.
Until that happens, conference championships
are the ceiling.

Captain obvious. Thanks for the insight.

DawgFader

Dennis_DeYoung said:

I wholeheartedly support what @NEsnake12 is trying to say.

We got a bunch of guys who have rare size/movement combos:

Salvon is big for how fast he is.
All three of our receivers have great size.
Hunter and White TE are both huge.
All 3 of our OL are big guys who move well.
Ali Gaye is the definition of a rare human.
Tryon is ridiculous: 6-5, 240 and fast.
Ngata is big, fast and has a big frame.
Keith Taylor is fucking 6-3 and McKinney is a big 'un as well.

Only Haener, Molden and Lolohea are guys that aren't especially big for their positions.

In the last couple years we've had to take kids that were not like that and there have been some reprecussions.

If I could have done literally anything with this class I would have simply added AVT or Fozzy and retained Marlon (and dropped Haener).

This class was outstanding and 2-3 players away from being elite.

This class is close and it's always gonna be stiff competition for the big guys.

The only misses IMO were in adding one more talented guy to Bain on the OL, Marlon's last second flip (painful) and a DE that could challenge for a spot in the rotation. We had a bunch of these types of guys interested early just need to keep them on the hook next year.

Hopefully Heaner can grow a solid beard and let his hair flow so he can fullfill his destiny as the Dawgs clipboard Jesus.

Dennis_DeYoung

DawgFader said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

I wholeheartedly support what @NEsnake12 is trying to say.

We got a bunch of guys who have rare size/movement combos:

Salvon is big for how fast he is.
All three of our receivers have great size.
Hunter and White TE are both huge.
All 3 of our OL are big guys who move well.
Ali Gaye is the definition of a rare human.
Tryon is ridiculous: 6-5, 240 and fast.
Ngata is big, fast and has a big frame.
Keith Taylor is fucking 6-3 and McKinney is a big 'un as well.

Only Haener, Molden and Lolohea are guys that aren't especially big for their positions.

In the last couple years we've had to take kids that were not like that and there have been some reprecussions.

If I could have done literally anything with this class I would have simply added AVT or Fozzy and retained Marlon (and dropped Haener).

This class was outstanding and 2-3 players away from being elite.

This class is close and it's always gonna be stiff competition for the big guys.

The only misses IMO were in adding one more talented guy to Bain on the OL, Marlon's last second flip (painful) and a DE that could challenge for a spot in the rotation. We had a bunch of these types of guys interested early just need to keep them on the hook next year.

Hopefully Heaner can grow a solid beard and let his hair flow so he can fullfill his destiny as the Dawgs clipboard Jesus.

Yeah, the only big misses were really Fozzy or AVT, Marlon and - I would have added a QB and IPM.

I love DJ, but you aren't going to get a fucking all star team. Tryon is plenty good enough.

And fuck saying we are going to get kids to come in and compete next year on the lines. Only kids who are superstars should see the field in the first year, and those kids should be far away from the ball (WR, DB).

DugtheDoog

Dennis_DeYoung said:

DawgFader said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

I wholeheartedly support what @NEsnake12 is trying to say.

We got a bunch of guys who have rare size/movement combos:

Salvon is big for how fast he is.
All three of our receivers have great size.
Hunter and White TE are both huge.
All 3 of our OL are big guys who move well.
Ali Gaye is the definition of a rare human.
Tryon is ridiculous: 6-5, 240 and fast.
Ngata is big, fast and has a big frame.
Keith Taylor is fucking 6-3 and McKinney is a big 'un as well.

Only Haener, Molden and Lolohea are guys that aren't especially big for their positions.

In the last couple years we've had to take kids that were not like that and there have been some reprecussions.

If I could have done literally anything with this class I would have simply added AVT or Fozzy and retained Marlon (and dropped Haener).

This class was outstanding and 2-3 players away from being elite.

This class is close and it's always gonna be stiff competition for the big guys.

The only misses IMO were in adding one more talented guy to Bain on the OL, Marlon's last second flip (painful) and a DE that could challenge for a spot in the rotation. We had a bunch of these types of guys interested early just need to keep them on the hook next year.

Hopefully Heaner can grow a solid beard and let his hair flow so he can fullfill his destiny as the Dawgs clipboard Jesus.

Yeah, the only big misses were really Fozzy or AVT, Marlon and - I would have added a QB and IPM.

I love DJ, but you aren't going to get a fucking all star team. Tryon is plenty good enough.

And fuck saying we are going to get kids to come in and compete next year on the lines. Only kids who are superstars should see the field in the first year, and those kids should be far away from the ball (WR, DB).

Fucking A. Remember when we'd bring in Talia fucking Crichton and rely on him to start day 1? And he sucked? But was probably better game 1 than on senior day?

Or when we? were forced to doog hard over Potatoe's older brother hoping he'd start as a 240lb Dtackle? And Nick Holt claimed he'd go pro after 3 years "if we? don't mess him up?"

I try to block those years out of my memory

RoadDawg55

jecornel said:

You're still not getting USC, OSU and
Bama level athletes on both lines.
Until that happens, conference championships
are the ceiling.

Captain obvious. Thanks for the insight.

I'm honestly more concerned about Browning this upcoming season than the OL and DL playing at a championship level.

Browning's limitations show up against the big boys and the pants shitting in close games. It's true until proven otherwise.

TTJ

I say it every offseason: playing kids as true frosh is almost always a mistake.

FireCohen

TTJ said:

I say it every offseason: playing kids as true frosh is almost always a mistake.

If he is your best option, you have to play him.

Dennis_DeYoung

WeakarmCobra said:

TTJ said:

I say it every offseason: playing kids as true frosh is almost always a mistake.

If he is your best option, you have to play him are most likely completely mismanaging your program.

Fixed.

TurdBomber

NEsnake12 said:

We all talked about how we need bigger/faster/stronger "rare human" athletes if we're going to compete on the national scale against teams like Bama. So here's a quick little comparison between the 2016 and 2017 classes, stats taken from the official UW press releases not the TBS sites where they overestimate height:

Avg. Height
2016: 6'0.88"
2017: 6'2.5"

Avg. Weight
2016: 208.22
2017: 225

Now obviously some slight differences in the positions we took impacted the results (1 more OL and 1 more WR in '17, 1 more RB and 1 more DB in '16), but in general the positional distribution was pretty even.

Regardless, that's a lot more meat for DDY to salivate over next year.