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  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,988 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2017
    2001400ex said:


    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.

    Let me think: Christmas is coming early?
  • AlCzervikAlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    doogie said:

    Snowflake media suffered brutal menstril cramps over this issue and were so blinded by the isssue they literally could not hear or r hinkle about anything else.

    YVBE.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,442 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2017
    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Obama doubles the debt. Spent more than all prior presidents combined. How do you conveniently forget that?

    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
  • AlCzervikAlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,442 Standard Supporter
    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    States don't have rights over immigration to our country. Maybe you're too stupid to poast.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Obama doubles the debt. Spent more than all prior presidents combined. How do you conveniently forget that?

    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    OK, point to the bills where Obama "spent $10 trillion". You are aware what happens in a deep recession, right?
  • AlCzervikAlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    States don't have rights over immigration to our country. Maybe you're too stupid to poast.
    You should probably start by reading the Constitution.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,442 Standard Supporter
    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    States don't have rights over immigration to our country. Maybe you're too stupid to poast.
    You should probably start by reading the Constitution.
    Maybe you should poast the "states have control over immigration" portion. I'll wait.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,988 Standard Supporter
    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    States don't have rights over immigration to our country. Maybe you're too stupid to poast.
    You should probably start by reading the Constitution.
    You might want to heed your own advice, Al. To your arrogant dismay, you will learn that Sledog is correct.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,321 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
  • AlCzervikAlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    States don't have rights over immigration to our country. Maybe you're too stupid to poast.
    You should probably start by reading the Constitution.
    Maybe you should poast the "states have control over immigration" portion. I'll wait.
    I was pointing out an obvious flaw in your thought processes, that's all. As I said, I'm not the states' rights guy. I'm not going to get into substantive issues with an uninformed half-wit.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
    So now Obama was not economically liberal? What would you call it then?

    For the rest, you know you would be throwing a huge fit if Obama even suggested the feds getting involved. Your deal is, if a Republican suggests it you are good, if it's something a Democrat says, it's communism. You won't look at anything objectively.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,442 Standard Supporter
    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    States don't have rights over immigration to our country. Maybe you're too stupid to poast.
    You should probably start by reading the Constitution.
    Maybe you should poast the "states have control over immigration" portion. I'll wait.
    I was pointing out an obvious flaw in your thought processes, that's all. As I said, I'm not the states' rights guy. I'm not going to get into substantive issues with an uninformed half-wit.

    You seem confused.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,988 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
    So now Obama was not economically liberal? What would you call it then?

    For the rest, you know you would be throwing a huge fit if Obama even suggested the feds getting involved. Your deal is, if a Republican suggests it you are good, if it's something a Democrat says, it's communism. You won't look at anything objectively.
    Projection, 101.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
    So now Obama was not economically liberal? What would you call it then?

    For the rest, you know you would be throwing a huge fit if Obama even suggested the feds getting involved. Your deal is, if a Republican suggests it you are good, if it's something a Democrat says, it's communism. You won't look at anything objectively.
    As was your deal most of 2016, poasting the opinions of disaffected Republicans bailing from Trump.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
    So now Obama was not economically liberal? What would you call it then?

    For the rest, you know you would be throwing a huge fit if Obama even suggested the feds getting involved. Your deal is, if a Republican suggests it you are good, if it's something a Democrat says, it's communism. You won't look at anything objectively.
    As was your deal most of 2016, poasting the opinions of disaffected Republicans bailing from Trump.
    When you look at the my posts, you know that's not true.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,654 Founders Club
    AlCzervik said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    States violating federal laws deserve to be punished. Odd black lives don't matter to you.
    I thought Republicans were the States' rights folks?

    Oops.

    You might be too stupid to troll.
    No. It was the democrats who wanted to keep Jim Crow

    HTH
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,988 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
    So now Obama was not economically liberal? What would you call it then?

    For the rest, you know you would be throwing a huge fit if Obama even suggested the feds getting involved. Your deal is, if a Republican suggests it you are good, if it's something a Democrat says, it's communism. You won't look at anything objectively.
    As was your deal most of 2016, poasting the opinions of disaffected Republicans bailing from Trump.
    When you look at the my posts, you know that's excrement.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    He played idiots like the press and HondoFS for a fiddle. He says some things, they scream, so now he has all the justification in the world to say 'people disagree so we are going to investigate this'. And now if they find significant amounts of it they now have all the justification in the world to push ways to fix it, which goes beyond just Voter ID laws.

    And to think it doesn't happen is FS...or more correctly HondoFS. A paper (that people on the Left screamed about) came up with an estimate of millions in previous elections:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973?np=y

    You can argue about whether its +/- 10% or 50%, but they claim it is a big effin number.

    And here is a study that says there have been 31 incidents since 2000.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf
    Sounds like somebody should look into it and find out what the real answer is then, doesn't it?

    In the meantime he'll keep doing 10 other things that the press would hate, but fortunately for the rest of us they are too distracted by this to pay attention.Its kinda brilliant manipulation of the not-so-bright folks in the world when you step back and look at it.
    Ironcially, Debbie Wasserman-Shulz is the first ranking dem to begin to pick up on this, at least in the open. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the left listens to her. My guess is they won't, they still have no idea what hit them, they keep flailing with the same boiled down identity politics as if that is all that matters to the country. There is no hope for that crowd and the best thing for the nation will be their continued marginalization. If the dems are smart, they'll finally ditch this crowd, but with 40+ years of inertia, it's going to be tough sledding for the more sensible amongst them, most sensible dems have already punched out or been replaced with left wing, wing dings. I gotta say, it's fun to watch this train wreck.
    The Dems in charge for the past 25 years are on their way out. It's the up and coming brainwashed generation of Socialists/Communists that will take over the Party in the coming years. The Bernie crowd will look like moderate centrists compared to the SJW wing of the future Dem party.
    image

    I agree with you, the democrat party of the past is dead and gone, their near term future is aligned with socialists like Bernie Sanders, but that slide started long ago.

    Dems haven't been truly liberal for decades. Once they committed to big government and a social welfare state, they lost all sense of economic liberalism, the slide towards a more progressive (philosophically Marxist) totalitarian party began. Gasoline was thrown on the fire when they adopted identity politics as their central theme, branding themselves as social liberals, but in fact, their intolerance to opposing ideas and social norms has had precisely the opposite effect. Their use of political correctness as a sledge hammer to bludgeon their opponents with is a classic example of this.

    Today that party is truly liberal in no sense. "Progressive" yes, liberal, no. Fortunately, when viewed from national, state and local levels, they are in their weakest position since the 1920's, and are unaware of their self-marginalizing. We need healthy opposition, from both sides, all societies do, so I do hope at some point they wake up, but for now it's fun to watch the train wreck.
    We have had several years with deficits around $500 billion and Obama left Trump an expanding economy. We'll see what happens wth the deficits under complete conservative control. Then we'll talk about economic liberalism.

    Since you bash totalitarian rule. What do you think about feds threatening to cut funding to localities that don't do what the feds want? Or threatening to send the feds in to take over Chicago? Asking for a fren.
    Are you seriously trying to make the case for Obamanomics as economically liberal? Wow.

    I have no problem with the feds withdrawing any form of funding from states, particularly as measures to reign in government spending. In this case, federal funding will be cut to localities who openly refuse compliance with immigration laws. That should be okay with anyone who has even a modest respect for our laws. Most find it outrageous to not suspend funding under those circumstances.

    You're complaining about a tweet used as a shot across Emanuel's bow to get off his ass and do something about the out of control violence in his city, and equating it to a real threat to take over the city. Wow. Squirrel!
    So now Obama was not economically liberal? What would you call it then?

    For the rest, you know you would be throwing a huge fit if Obama even suggested the feds getting involved. Your deal is, if a Republican suggests it you are good, if it's something a Democrat says, it's communism. You won't look at anything objectively.
    As was your deal most of 2016, poasting the opinions of disaffected Republicans bailing from Trump.
    When you look at the my posts, you know that's excrement.
    And shitty engrish.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,536 Founders Club
    This thread was okay. Once.
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