I know people that have loan balances in excess of $250,000 with art history degrees. I've never met anyone with a $1,000,000 loan balance with any degree.
Market forces. Cut off loans and make colleges price tuition accordingly
Because economic mobility is a bad thing.
Honestly, what does a degree in __________ studies have to do with economic mobility?
richer students are more likely to choose those shitty degrees than students taking out loans.
The point is valid tho. students and politicians have been convinced that higher education is a necessity nowadays, and trade schools are a thing of the past. why? banks, the gov't, and schools make more money off of higher enrollments and these shitty loans that they hand out.
With that said, judging by the politicians this country is electing, a more educated society as a whole is a necessity.
From watching the people I know. Motivation is higher on the list of traits for people that make money than education. I know many very educated people (MBA or doctorate) that are dumb or lazy and make Jack shit for money. And I know many uneducated people that are not too bright that make 6 figures.
That being said, investing is education is one of the best investments a government can make.
Yeah, $250,000 for an art history degree is a GREAT investment for us to be making.
So the Government should tell students what degree to get now? @Sledog would call that communism.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
I'm sorry it's news to you that incredibly hot women don't have to work that hard to get what they want in life. You obviously troll amongst the Sawant classes for hook ups. Tragic.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
I'm sorry it's news to you that incredibly hot women don't have to work that hard to get what they want in life. You obviously troll amongst the Sawant classes for hook ups. Tragic.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
I'm sorry it's news to you that incredibly hot women don't have to work that hard to get what they want in life. You obviously troll amongst the Sawant classes for hook ups. Tragic.
I believe in variety when it comes to pussy.
That's how all losers who fuck ugly women rationalize it. Well, you're not alone. I guess that's something to have going for yourself.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
I'm sorry it's news to you that incredibly hot women don't have to work that hard to get what they want in life. You obviously troll amongst the Sawant classes for hook ups. Tragic.
I believe in variety when it comes to pussy.
That's how all losers who fuck ugly women rationalize it. Well, you're not alone. I guess that's something to have going for yourself.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
You act like the banks or government give a fuck if you earn your degree or not.
A guidance counselor does some paperwork for you in a high school that hasn't prepared you for shit. It then pitches a dream of a college degree because it's what you need to have to be successful.
And guess what? you don't have to pay a cent until you get the piece of paper that sets you up for life! What better investment than one in yourself! Great deal right?
Reality is this dream is pitched to people who were left for dead by the system in their youth and don't have a fucking clue besides "it's what I'm supposed to do."
College loans might as well be an infomercial at 3am that pitches "be somebody or join the army".
Education inflation is alive and well. More under qualified people pursuing watered down degrees in hopes for jobs that no longer exist.
You act like the banks or government give a fuck if you earn your degree or not.
A guidance counselor does some paperwork for you in a high school that hasn't prepared you for shit. It then pitches a dream of a college degree because it's what you need to have to be successful.
And guess what? you don't have to pay a cent until you get the piece of paper that sets you up for life! What better investment than one in yourself! Great deal right?
Reality is this dream is pitched to people who were left for dead by the system in their youth and don't have a fucking clue besides "it's what I'm supposed to do."
College loans might as well be an infomercial at 3am that pitches "be somebody or join the army".
Education inflation is alive and well. More under qualified people pursuing watered down degrees in hopes for jobs that no longer exist.
This post wins/ends the thread.
I'm in my mid-thirties, my parents told me to focus on school so I don't become like them. We were far from poor, but they all physically worked and made an honest living.
It then became the standard that actually working was bad and getting a degree and not working very hard was the ticket.
In 15 years a plumber will easily maie double of what your average suit and tie does.
You act like the banks or government give a fuck if you earn your degree or not.
A guidance counselor does some paperwork for you in a high school that hasn't prepared you for shit. It then pitches a dream of a college degree because it's what you need to have to be successful.
And guess what? you don't have to pay a cent until you get the piece of paper that sets you up for life! What better investment than one in yourself! Great deal right?
Reality is this dream is pitched to people who were left for dead by the system in their youth and don't have a fucking clue besides "it's what I'm supposed to do."
College loans might as well be an infomercial at 3am that pitches "be somebody or join the army".
Education inflation is alive and well. More under qualified people pursuing watered down degrees in hopes for jobs that no longer exist.
Can't chin this enough.
By the way, the lack of understanding of basic economics amongst some in here whom I assume graduated from college is a bit stunning. If you don't understand that free money in the form of government backed loans inflates higher education costs, then you're either ignorant or just plain stupid. If you further fail to understand that free money and misinformation has artificially created demand for indiscriminate college educations and in turn has diluted their value, then you're either ignorant or just plain stupid.
What you choose to study and how you get there matters. Same applies for the trades. The "investment" in education has to come from the individual, along with the associated financial responsibility. If your education decisions have economic consequences, you'll choose more wisely and you'll work harder to ensure you can get into more competitive fields. Those who find a way other than free money, work hard enough to qualify for scholarships, serve in the military (GI bill) and/or work their way through college or trade school to pay for most or all of their education tend to be far more successful than those simply signing for loans they'll never repay. It's high time we got back that model.
You act like the banks or government give a fuck if you earn your degree or not.
A guidance counselor does some paperwork for you in a high school that hasn't prepared you for shit. It then pitches a dream of a college degree because it's what you need to have to be successful.
And guess what? you don't have to pay a cent until you get the piece of paper that sets you up for life! What better investment than one in yourself! Great deal right?
Reality is this dream is pitched to people who were left for dead by the system in their youth and don't have a fucking clue besides "it's what I'm supposed to do."
College loans might as well be an infomercial at 3am that pitches "be somebody or join the army".
Education inflation is alive and well. More under qualified people pursuing watered down degrees in hopes for jobs that no longer exist.
This post wins/ends the thread.
I'm in my mid-thirties, my parents told me to focus on school so I don't become like them. We were far from poor, but they all physically worked and made an honest living.
It then became the standard that actually working was bad and getting a degree and not working very hard was the ticket.
In 15 years a plumber will easily maie double of what your average suit and tie does.
Mostly agree except for your last point. That depends on what "the suit and tie" is doing. Fields in medicine, engineering, computer science, finance, accounting and law, among others, have the potential for high value even when working for someone else. In all cases, for people in professional or skilled trade positions, the path to independence is there, all can become their own boss, own or partner in their own practice, firm, company, etc. Ultimately it comes back to the individual.
If you want to spend $250,000 on a shit degree, you should have to pay for it yourself.
I know people that are worthless that spent that much on a law degree.
Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
Their husbands did. As I explained before, the hottest women on campus were Art History Majors, who everyone knew would never have to work an honest day in their lives.
Sounds like you are bitter no art history major would let you fuck.
I'm sorry it's news to you that incredibly hot women don't have to work that hard to get what they want in life. You obviously troll amongst the Sawant classes for hook ups. Tragic.
I believe in variety when it comes to using my left hand or right hand .
You act like the banks or government give a fuck if you earn your degree or not.
A guidance counselor does some paperwork for you in a high school that hasn't prepared you for shit. It then pitches a dream of a college degree because it's what you need to have to be successful.
And guess what? you don't have to pay a cent until you get the piece of paper that sets you up for life! What better investment than one in yourself! Great deal right?
Reality is this dream is pitched to people who were left for dead by the system in their youth and don't have a fucking clue besides "it's what I'm supposed to do."
College loans might as well be an infomercial at 3am that pitches "be somebody or join the army".
Education inflation is alive and well. More under qualified people pursuing watered down degrees in hopes for jobs that no longer exist.
Market forces. Cut off loans and make colleges price tuition accordingly
Because economic mobility is a bad thing.
What?
I'm talking about making college affordable. What are you talking about?
Are those things mutually exclusive?
Spit it out. What are you trying to say?
College can be affordable and college loans can exist.
Yes it can. Make everyone go to CC the first 2 years for their AA and then they can move on to University.
Could work unless universities have to raise their tuition to make for the 50% loss of revenue.
I think there are way too many under-qualified students at universities. I'd love to see Community Colleges fully funded and offer training in trade professions. More people would end up with a degree/certification in something they can use.
I really like the German model. In 9th grade you split off into two different schools. Either you will on to college prep until 13th grade (essentially earning your AA), or you go to a job training high school until 12th grade and learn whatever trade you decide on. Graduates either go to University or start an apprenticeship.
Market forces. Cut off loans and make colleges price tuition accordingly
Because economic mobility is a bad thing.
What?
I'm talking about making college affordable. What are you talking about?
Are those things mutually exclusive?
Spit it out. What are you trying to say?
College can be affordable and college loans can exist.
Yes it can. Make everyone go to CC the first 2 years for their AA and then they can move on to University.
Could work unless universities have to raise their tuition to make for the 50% loss of revenue.
I think there are way too many under-qualified students at universities. I'd love to see Community Colleges fully funded and offer training in trade professions. More people would end up with a degree/certification in something they can use.
I really like the German model. In 9th grade you split off into two different schools. Either you will on to college prep until 13th grade (essentially earning your AA), or you go to a job training high school until 12th grade and learn whatever trade you decide on. Graduates either go to University or start an apprenticeship.
Isn't that the American model, until Universities, the elites started demonizing trade schools? Not to mention all those skills being moved overseas?
I don't know I wasn't around when school was affordable. Trade school definitely has a stigma though, in part because half of them are shitty for-profit medical training bullshit programs.
Last time I checked we don't outsource auto mechanics, electricians, plumbers, carpenters etc. Not only are those outsource proof, they are basically automation proof too.
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Are you saying no person with an art degree paid their loans back?
A guidance counselor does some paperwork for you in a high school that hasn't prepared you for shit. It then pitches a dream of a college degree because it's what you need to have to be successful.
And guess what? you don't have to pay a cent until you get the piece of paper that sets you up for life! What better investment than one in yourself! Great deal right?
Reality is this dream is pitched to people who were left for dead by the system in their youth and don't have a fucking clue besides "it's what I'm supposed to do."
College loans might as well be an infomercial at 3am that pitches "be somebody or join the army".
Education inflation is alive and well. More under qualified people pursuing watered down degrees in hopes for jobs that no longer exist.
I'm in my mid-thirties, my parents told me to focus on school so I don't become like them. We were far from poor, but they all physically worked and made an honest living.
It then became the standard that actually working was bad and getting a degree and not working very hard was the ticket.
In 15 years a plumber will easily maie double of what your average suit and tie does.
By the way, the lack of understanding of basic economics amongst some in here whom I assume graduated from college is a bit stunning. If you don't understand that free money in the form of government backed loans inflates higher education costs, then you're either ignorant or just plain stupid. If you further fail to understand that free money and misinformation has artificially created demand for indiscriminate college educations and in turn has diluted their value, then you're either ignorant or just plain stupid.
What you choose to study and how you get there matters. Same applies for the trades. The "investment" in education has to come from the individual, along with the associated financial responsibility. If your education decisions have economic consequences, you'll choose more wisely and you'll work harder to ensure you can get into more competitive fields. Those who find a way other than free money, work hard enough to qualify for scholarships, serve in the military (GI bill) and/or work their way through college or trade school to pay for most or all of their education tend to be far more successful than those simply signing for loans they'll never repay. It's high time we got back that model.
Because the world still needs ditch diggers.