Trump's tax reform

ThomasFremont

salemcoog said:

ThomasFremont said:

salemcoog said:

greenblood said:

So Hondo is freaking out about couples under $20,000 in income paying 2% more? What is that? $40?

Let's also not forget couples making between $75,000 and $75,300, that extra $300 will be taxed an extra 10%!! $30? Fuck!!

I don't think it's simple enough. Allow couples to make $20,000 tax free and then tax every dollar above that at a 25% rate.

Incremental tax rates are flat out stupid. Just have it flat.

Agree. Everybody pays a flat Federal 15 % with no deductions.

I'm ok with that on a personal level, but what does that look like in practice on the national level? With no deductions period, what is the age of taxation, since parents will no longer be claiming kids with jobs?

Without doing any math, I have a feeling that 15% flat tax might not be enough. Happy to be shown otherwise.

Everyone keeps yelling about lowering taxes as a fix for the country, but when America WAS great, they were higher not lower. Corporate taxes in particular.

ThomasFremont said:

salemcoog said:

greenblood said:

So Hondo is freaking out about couples under $20,000 in income paying 2% more? What is that? $40?

Let's also not forget couples making between $75,000 and $75,300, that extra $300 will be taxed an extra 10%!! $30? Fuck!!

I don't think it's simple enough. Allow couples to make $20,000 tax free and then tax every dollar above that at a 25% rate.

Incremental tax rates are flat out stupid. Just have it flat.

Agree. Everybody pays a flat Federal 15 % with no deductions.

I'm ok with that on a personal level, but what does that look like in practice on the national level? With no deductions period, what is the age of taxation, since parents will no longer be claiming kids with jobs?

Without doing any math, I have a feeling that 15% flat tax might not be enough. Happy to be shown otherwise.

Everyone keeps yelling about lowering taxes as a fix for the country, but when America WAS great, they were higher not lower. Corporate taxes in particular.

Why does it have to be enough???

The Federal Government has spent over $10TT that it didn't have the last 8 years anyway.

As far as corporate taxes being higher in the good old days? I would attribute that to companies not having the option to move to Malaysia and avoid most taxes altogether like they can now. If you try to stick it to Corporate America, they just pack up and leave the Country or put all of their assets overseas like in the Apple game.

The only way to truly help the American taxpayer would be for the Feds to cut up their Credit cards and blow up the printing presses.

I'm just asking a question. I didn't say I had the answer.

But on a practical level, we can't just cut up the credit cards, rent the spare room, and eat Top Ramen as a country. I get that spending is out of control, but slashing revenue alone would only make the deficit worse.

Would a 15% flat tax cover our financial obligations? If so, fine. If not, then what?

2001400ex

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

I'm curious what you mean. Payroll is already a deduction for businesses. Payroll taxes are a deduction as well.

greenblood

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

I'm curious what you mean. Payroll is already a deduction for businesses. Payroll taxes are a deduction as well.

I was responding to the hypothetical tax law of no deductions and 15% flat tax. Yes I'm aware the current tax law has those payroll deductions.

Mosster47

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

greenblood

Mosster47 said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

Sole props too? Because that probably wouldn't work

Mosster47

greenblood said:

Mosster47 said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

Sole props too? Because that probably wouldn't work

That one is tricky. I hate all of the different business classifications. If you are relieving businesses of taxes then there is one category for all. If you work for yourself under a business like an insurance agent then you would be exempt.

Having said that if you employ anyone your personal income falls under the personal tax as does theirs.

This eliminates someone like Trump from writing off a billion dollars from his business and he never pays personal tax again. Then he writes off endless stuff on the business and doesn't pay tax there either. His business is untouched, but the umpteen millions he personally makes every year is subject to the 15%, no exceptions.

2001400ex

Mosster47 said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

The vast majority of corporations are not taxed on income at the federal level.

HTH

Mosster47

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

The vast majority of corporations are not taxed on income at the federal level.

HTH

Right, because of massive write offs and pay outs to executives to sneak away from the outrageous corporate tax rate.

Then those executives play their own game of mathmatical gymnastics to pay very little in taxes as well.

I'm not an anti-government guy, but our government is way too fucking big. Only getting 10% of the personal pot would end the bullshit of giving other countries that refuse to get their shit together billions of dollars, wars with no purpose, and having a hand in EVERYTHING.

10% would cover defense, SS/Medicare, and the VA. The IRS would still exist but with the simplicity of the new code they could function with 25% of their current staffing.

2001400ex

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

The vast majority of corporations are not taxed on income at the federal level.

HTH

Right, because of massive write offs and pay outs to executives to sneak away from the outrageous corporate tax rate.

Then those executives play their own game of mathmatical gymnastics to pay very little in taxes as well.

I'm not an anti-government guy, but our government is way too fucking big. Only getting 10% of the personal pot would end the bullshit of giving other countries that refuse to get their shit together billions of dollars, wars with no purpose, and having a hand in EVERYTHING.

10% would cover defense, SS/Medicare, and the VA. The IRS would still exist but with the simplicity of the new code they could function with 25% of their current staffing.

Actually it's because the vast majority of corporations are LLCs, LLPs, S corps, etc. that are not taxable on income at the federal level.

And C corps average about 15% because of deductions and stuff with the top tax rate at 35%. Corporations are taxed fairly.

And the argument that if you cut taxes on corporations they'll hire more people, is FS. If you've ever been in a discussion about whether to hire or fire, it's always about expected demand. Never is it about taxes.

greenblood

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

2001400ex said:

Mosster47 said:

greenblood said:

I would still like to see payroll as a deduction for business. At least create an added benefit for creating jobs.

Businesses shouldn't be taxed. They create all the jobs.

The vast majority of corporations are not taxed on income at the federal level.

HTH

Right, because of massive write offs and pay outs to executives to sneak away from the outrageous corporate tax rate.

Then those executives play their own game of mathmatical gymnastics to pay very little in taxes as well.

I'm not an anti-government guy, but our government is way too fucking big. Only getting 10% of the personal pot would end the bullshit of giving other countries that refuse to get their shit together billions of dollars, wars with no purpose, and having a hand in EVERYTHING.

10% would cover defense, SS/Medicare, and the VA. The IRS would still exist but with the simplicity of the new code they could function with 25% of their current staffing.

Actually it's because the vast majority of corporations are LLCs, LLPs, S corps, etc. that are not taxable on income at the federal level.

And C corps average about 15% because of deductions and stuff with the top tax rate at 35%. Corporations are taxed fairly.

And the argument that if you cut taxes on corporations they'll hire more people, is FS. If you've ever been in a discussion about whether to hire or fire, it's always about expected demand. Never is it about taxes.

Lowering taxes does create opportunities for companies to increase capital, and thus open up new avenues of income(new products and services, additional ventures, acquisitions, etc.)