Nobody hates the 1st amendment more than Trump
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I brought it up because it's a piece of a larger context, which I laid out in my post in the other thread.RaceBannon said:
You're the idiot that brought Hamilton up. A completely moronic point that you want to double down on.HardlyClothed said:
Curious, have you always been this disingenuous?RaceBannon said:Almost everyone who has the vapors over what Trump tweeted had started out by saying they hate flag burning but....
If you only have 140 characters then you have to expect your readers to not be fucking retards
We are dealing with people here that think if you tell an actor to shut the fuck up you've trashed the constitution
Low information types
"Telling an actor to shut the fuck up" is not trashing the constitution, and no one has argued that specific point.
The problem with that attack and its relation to the first amendment, (it's not spelled "ammendment" btw) is the broader, unprecedented, principle of delegitimizing dissenting voices. How will these attitudes toward dissent manifest when he is in office? If they continue in this manner, then that is concerning.
The Hamilton apology demand does not exist in a vacuum, and such an interpretation is more indicative of a "low information voter", who can't see the big picture, such as yourself.
Delegitimizing dissenting voices? Fuck off snowflake.
You're still misunderstanding the broader significance of it.
Why the vitriol? For the record, I'm a longtime podcast listener since '07 and generally love your perspective. I don't understand why you've bought in to the Trump alternate reality. Cheers. -
Maybe... But it should result in an ass kicking.UWhuskytskeet said:
Igniting pieces of fabric shouldn't result in a loss of citizenship or jail time. Period.RaceBannon said:
The court ruled in a close decision to call flag burning protected speech. That means there is another side to that issue that one can reasonably advocate for.UWhuskytskeet said:
Why don't you just come out and say you want the 1st amendment murdered?RaceBannon said:
I said he shouldn't be allowed to say that.UWhuskytskeet said:
I didn't say he should be jailed for a year or lose his citizenship.RaceBannon said:Trump shouldn't be allowed to say that
You'd have to be swallowing all 2" of Trump thunder to defend that tweet.
No one should advocate for positions that go against what you think
I had to fight to wear a flag patch on my jeans in high school. Why don't you just get off your high horse and accept that not everyone thinks like you do
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Sounds like @Hardlyclothed was Race's Minion before He wasn't.HardlyClothed said:
I brought it up because it's a piece of a larger context, which I laid out in my post in the other thread.RaceBannon said:
You're the idiot that brought Hamilton up. A completely moronic point that you want to double down on.HardlyClothed said:
Curious, have you always been this disingenuous?RaceBannon said:Almost everyone who has the vapors over what Trump tweeted had started out by saying they hate flag burning but....
If you only have 140 characters then you have to expect your readers to not be fucking retards
We are dealing with people here that think if you tell an actor to shut the fuck up you've trashed the constitution
Low information types
"Telling an actor to shut the fuck up" is not trashing the constitution, and no one has argued that specific point.
The problem with that attack and its relation to the first amendment, (it's not spelled "ammendment" btw) is the broader, unprecedented, principle of delegitimizing dissenting voices. How will these attitudes toward dissent manifest when he is in office? If they continue in this manner, then that is concerning.
The Hamilton apology demand does not exist in a vacuum, and such an interpretation is more indicative of a "low information voter", who can't see the big picture, such as yourself.
Delegitimizing dissenting voices? Fuck off snowflake.
You're still misunderstanding the broader significance of it.
Why the vitriol? For the record, I'm a longtime podcast listener since '07 and generally love your perspective. I don't understand why you've bought in to the Trump alternate reality. Cheers. -
Trump's tweet was nothing more than a fancy way for him to say he doesn't like it when people burn the flag. It's kind of like how burning the flag is a fancy way of saying you don't like or support something about the country.
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I agree it should be legal but just don't complain when you get curb stomped.2001400ex said:
Burning a flag is different than yelling fire or making bomb threats. It's specifically allowed and approved by conservative supreme court members.Sledog said:
Free speech isn't free of consequences. You offend people badly enough it leads to those consequences. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater or make bomb threats either.dhdawg said:
I believe in free speech, except when it's something I disagree withSledog said:I am all for free speech but there is speech likely to incite violence and that is outlawed in some states. Flag burning may well lead to an ass kicking which is the best kind of punishment for those engaged. Natural consequences is a great teacher, just like a hot stove.
If you think you can say whatever you want without consequence you're daft.
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Burning a flag does incite violence. Capiche?2001400ex said:
The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism.WeAreAFatLesboSchool said:HondoFS Is just mad because the authoritarian he doesn't like said this rather than the authoritarian he loves.
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SC has defined and protected it as free speech. Done. Trump doesn't like it and vents. Big fucking whoop. The lather this generates on this thread demonstrates the collective stupidity of a lot of poasters.
And Hondo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Again. -
Or just looking the other way. It's all about attention and reinforcement. Don't pay attention and this shit fizzles out pretty quick. Trust me. - B.F. Skinnersalemcoog said:
Maybe... But it should result in an ass kicking.UWhuskytskeet said:
Igniting pieces of fabric shouldn't result in a loss of citizenship or jail time. Period.RaceBannon said:
The court ruled in a close decision to call flag burning protected speech. That means there is another side to that issue that one can reasonably advocate for.UWhuskytskeet said:
Why don't you just come out and say you want the 1st amendment murdered?RaceBannon said:
I said he shouldn't be allowed to say that.UWhuskytskeet said:
I didn't say he should be jailed for a year or lose his citizenship.RaceBannon said:Trump shouldn't be allowed to say that
You'd have to be swallowing all 2" of Trump thunder to defend that tweet.
No one should advocate for positions that go against what you think
I had to fight to wear a flag patch on my jeans in high school. Why don't you just get off your high horse and accept that not everyone thinks like you do
Should be a fun four years. -
I get what you are saying, but Trump is the president elect.TurdBuffer said:SC has defined and protected it as free speech. Done. Trump doesn't like it and vents. Big fucking whoop. The lather this generates on this thread demonstrates the collective stupidity of a lot of poasters.
And Hondo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Again.
That voice will always carry more weight than your average citizen.
Vent in private like a big boy, not on social media like a fat middle school girl. -
Presidents really shouldn't tweet. Agreed.ThomasFremont said:
I get what you are saying, but Trump is the president elect.TurdBuffer said:SC has defined and protected it as free speech. Done. Trump doesn't like it and vents. Big fucking whoop. The lather this generates on this thread demonstrates the collective stupidity of a lot of poasters.
And Hondo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Again.
That voice will always carry more weight than your average citizen.
Vent in private like a big boy, not on social media like a fat middle school girl.
I didn't vote for him, but we elected a blowhard, so he's blowing. Hard.
He's like a 12 year old kid with a man's dick and a viagra and coke fueled libido right now. He's gonna spurt some Elmer's around and make some messes for awhile 'til he learns how to control that thing. (We've all been there...)
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So he's like @backthepack on a 5 reasons thread?TurdBuffer said:
Presidents really shouldn't tweet. Agreed.ThomasFremont said:
I get what you are saying, but Trump is the president elect.TurdBuffer said:SC has defined and protected it as free speech. Done. Trump doesn't like it and vents. Big fucking whoop. The lather this generates on this thread demonstrates the collective stupidity of a lot of poasters.
And Hondo doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Again.
That voice will always carry more weight than your average citizen.
Vent in private like a big boy, not on social media like a fat middle school girl.
I didn't vote for him, but we elected a blowhard, so he's blowing. Hard.
He's like a 12 year old kid with a man's dick and a viagra and coke fueled libido right now. He's gonna spurt some Elmer's around and make some messes for awhile 'til he learns how to control that thing. (We've all been there...)
Meanwhile little harm will come from it.
