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President-elect considers his victory a disaster for democracy

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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Well the pop vote is still too close to call no?

    She's up by 200k with most remaining votes to count in blue states.

    She will probably hold on to her pyrrhic victory. Too close to "call" if it mattered, but it doesn't.

    On the plus side, at least we're not all waiting around for that count to finish because we have the Electoral College.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978

    In a world where we don't have an electoral college, Trump still would have won.

    How do you figure that?
    The entire campaign is different without it...its no coincidence Trump spent weeks if not months straight flying 4 stops...Florida/NC/Rust belt 1/Rust Belt 2. Places like Cali and Texas get ignored because it is not a competition for EC votes. No effort is made to get out the vote there, and its driven by local elections/other issues. Get rid of the EC and the entire campaign changes.

    If you look at Cali Trump had no chance to win, there was no Republican Senate candidate, and there are only a few House seats Republicans are competitive in...if you are a Republican and don't live in one of those few districts there is no real reason to go out and vote.

    The founders didn't want a few population centers determining everything and were very specific in how they set it up. For good reason IMHO.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    2001400ex said:

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
    Cultural condescension, motherfucker.

    Once the 'progressives' clue in that just because they 'think' they are the smartest guys in the room, doesn't mean they really are.

    The goal is to accumulate electors.



    Hubris was an essential part of the Hillary Lockie campaign.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
    Politically incorrect as in politically foolish. Blanket disparagements of 50 million voters are always special.
    Cause Trump never did that? Hillary made that comment to try to fit in with the Trump crowd. Which was fucktarded but not why she lost.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
    Politically incorrect as in politically foolish. Blanket disparagements of 50 million voters are always special.
    Cause Trump never did that? Hillary made that comment to try to fit in with the Trump crowd. Which was fucktarded but not why she lost.
    You're not ready. Leave again for while
    Everyone says so.

    And again? When did I leave the first time?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,850 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
    Politically incorrect as in politically foolish. Blanket disparagements of 50 million voters are always special.
    Cause Trump never did that? Hillary made that comment to try to fit in with the Trump crowd. Which was fucktarded but not why she lost.
    You're not ready. Leave again for while
    Everyone says so.

    And again? When did I leave the first time?
    Because you suck at this and she lost so there is no reason for you to be here. HTH
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    In a world where we don't have an electoral college, Trump still would have won.

    How do you figure that?
    The entire campaign is different without it...its no coincidence Trump spent weeks if not months straight flying 4 stops...Florida/NC/Rust belt 1/Rust Belt 2. Places like Cali and Texas get ignored because it is not a competition for EC votes. No effort is made to get out the vote there, and its driven by local elections/other issues. Get rid of the EC and the entire campaign changes.

    If you look at Cali Trump had no chance to win, there was no Republican Senate candidate, and there are only a few House seats Republicans are competitive in...if you are a Republican and don't live in one of those few districts there is no real reason to go out and vote.

    The founders didn't want a few population centers determining everything and were very specific in how they set it up. For good reason IMHO.
    Oh you mean like 60,000 voters in Wisconsin, and 12,000 in Michigan? If that was their intention they failed.

    Way to contradict yourself btw. You just admitted the electoral college was the reason for Trump's concentration on a few population centers while ignoring the rest of the country.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499

    In a world where we don't have an electoral college, Trump still would have won.

    How do you figure that?
    The entire campaign is different without it...its no coincidence Trump spent weeks if not months straight flying 4 stops...Florida/NC/Rust belt 1/Rust Belt 2. Places like Cali and Texas get ignored because it is not a competition for EC votes. No effort is made to get out the vote there, and its driven by local elections/other issues. Get rid of the EC and the entire campaign changes.

    If you look at Cali Trump had no chance to win, there was no Republican Senate candidate, and there are only a few House seats Republicans are competitive in...if you are a Republican and don't live in one of those few districts there is no real reason to go out and vote.

    The founders didn't want a few population centers determining everything and were very specific in how they set it up. For good reason IMHO.
    Oh you mean like 60,000 voters in Wisconsin, and 12,000 in Michigan? If that was their intention they failed.

    Way to contradict yourself btw. You just admitted the electoral college was the reason for Trump's concentration on a few population centers while ignoring the rest of the country.
    You seem upset. Still.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
    Politically incorrect as in politically foolish. Blanket disparagements of 50 million voters are always special.
    Cause Trump never did that? Hillary made that comment to try to fit in with the Trump crowd. Which was fucktarded but not why she lost.
    To my knowledge, he never made a blanket statement like that about her supporters. He gave us locker-room talk, but she gave him locker-room bulletin-bored material.
    Called Mexicans rapists and Muslims terrorists. Among others. But you are right, Hillary hit 50 million people on one fell swoop. Her bad for trying to fit in and failing.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    edited November 2016
    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    So did Gore but he came a lot closer in the Electoral

    With Cali and NY the dems have a huge popular vote advantage but not electoral when the GOP wins FLA and Ohio and some other rust belt states like Trump did

    Trump barely got 30% in Cali
    The Dems made assumptions about safe Electoral College votes that weren't safe at all.
    It's one thing to mock white trash here but when you make fun of the people in the rust belt states that you need to vote for you, well, that's just stupid.

    She played right into the role as the elitist who cared more about globalism than main street America
    The Deplorables comment she made was the real turning point IMO.
    Right. It's the Trump followers that are turned off by politically incorrect comments.
    Politically incorrect as in politically foolish. Blanket disparagements of 50 million voters are always special.
    Cause Trump never did that? Hillary made that comment to try to fit in with the Trump crowd. Which was fucktarded but not why she lost.
    To my knowledge, he never made a blanket statement like that about her supporters. He gave us locker-room talk, but she gave him locker-room bulletin-bored material.
    Called Mexicans rapists and Muslims terrorists. Among others. But you are right, Hillary hit 50 million people on one fell swoop. Her bad for trying to fit in and failing.
    He isolated small segments and went after them hard, leaving the majority of his opposition untouched; they weren't directly threatened, so their response was likely less strident than that of his base, which was called out en masse.
  • Fenderbender123Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,983

    In a world where we don't have an electoral college, Trump still would have won.

    How do you figure that?
    In a vacuum, it wouldn't. But the electoral college influences behavior. Many people in, say, California don't even bother voting because they know the democrat is going to win their state.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    In a world where we don't have an electoral college, Trump still would have won.

    How do you figure that?
    The entire campaign is different without it...its no coincidence Trump spent weeks if not months straight flying 4 stops...Florida/NC/Rust belt 1/Rust Belt 2. Places like Cali and Texas get ignored because it is not a competition for EC votes. No effort is made to get out the vote there, and its driven by local elections/other issues. Get rid of the EC and the entire campaign changes.

    If you look at Cali Trump had no chance to win, there was no Republican Senate candidate, and there are only a few House seats Republicans are competitive in...if you are a Republican and don't live in one of those few districts there is no real reason to go out and vote.

    The founders didn't want a few population centers determining everything and were very specific in how they set it up. For good reason IMHO.
    Except that's exactly what the EC does. Everyone focuses on a few key battleground states, and everywhere else is taken for granted. With the popular vote, all votes matter equally, regardless of where you live.

    Big part of why Trump won IMHO; Americans are tired of being taken for granted by the political establishment.

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