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because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
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He hit .259 as a 22 year old ... league average was .257.dhdawg said:
because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
I don't give 2 shits about power ... he hit .289 for his career in the minor leagues consistently playing above age. If there's one thing I was really disappointed with him this year was that I thought we'd see more speed with him.
I just don't see a reason to throw him to the curb yet ... that's the kind of impatience that kills organizations getting 50 cents on the dollar for a young player -
Most disappointing thing was really his OBP. In 219 ABs last year, he was at .351 but this year he was at .287.
I expected some regression in a sophomore slump with scouts / pitching staffs having an off-season to look for holes in his plate discipline but I was thinking he'd be at .310 to .320 rather than a steep decline of 64 bps.Tequilla said:
He hit .259 as a 22 year old ... league average was .257.dhdawg said:
because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
I don't give 2 shits about power ... he hit .289 for his career in the minor leagues consistently playing above age. If there's one thing I was really disappointed with him this year was that I thought we'd see more speed with him.
I just don't see a reason to throw him to the curb yet ... that's the kind of impatience that kills organizations getting 50 cents on the dollar for a young player -
To me the biggest thing with young players and why they can tend to regress so much is that when they start pressing they really start pressing ... when they start pressing they panic more than a bit and where to me you see it the most is the command of the strike zone and confidence of being able to go deep in the count.
When I looked at Zunino when he came back, the first thing that was obvious to me was that he was confident in his abilities and going deeper in the count. That led to a far better OBP as well as production from him. It's one of the reasons why I do think that there's room for him to grow as a hitter going forward with his average. -
batting average...Tequilla said:
He hit .259 as a 22 year old ... league average was .257.dhdawg said:
because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
I don't give 2 shits about power ... he hit .289 for his career in the minor leagues consistently playing above age. If there's one thing I was really disappointed with him this year was that I thought we'd see more speed with him.
I just don't see a reason to throw him to the curb yet ... that's the kind of impatience that kills organizations getting 50 cents on the dollar for a young player
enjoy life in the 1960's.
A .287 on base with no power is atrocious. and he got worse as the year went along -
As a kid I valued the concept of a BB before anybody else in the mainstream media ever talked about that ... so thanks for that lesson ...dhdawg said:
batting average...Tequilla said:
He hit .259 as a 22 year old ... league average was .257.dhdawg said:
because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
I don't give 2 shits about power ... he hit .289 for his career in the minor leagues consistently playing above age. If there's one thing I was really disappointed with him this year was that I thought we'd see more speed with him.
I just don't see a reason to throw him to the curb yet ... that's the kind of impatience that kills organizations getting 50 cents on the dollar for a young player
enjoy life in the 1960's.
A .287 on base with no power is atrocious. and he got worse as the year went along
That being said, BB and OPB means something IF you can get on base on your own. Your numbers increase the more you're able to demonstrate that you have command of the strike zone both in terms of swinging at strikes but also by being able to get hits with balls in the strike zone.
The idea that everybody in your lineup has to have power is absolute BS ... how is that working for Toronto right now? How about the Cubs? I'm perfectly fine if Marte is a .270/.335 hitter that hits 9th in the order, can handle the bat, and put pressure on the base paths. He has room to grow in all categories ... but he's far from a lost cause. -
You're a real fucking Bill James, aren't you.Tequilla said:
As a kid I valued the concept of a BB before anybody else in the mainstream media ever talked about that ... so thanks for that lesson ...dhdawg said:
batting average...Tequilla said:
He hit .259 as a 22 year old ... league average was .257.dhdawg said:
because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
I don't give 2 shits about power ... he hit .289 for his career in the minor leagues consistently playing above age. If there's one thing I was really disappointed with him this year was that I thought we'd see more speed with him.
I just don't see a reason to throw him to the curb yet ... that's the kind of impatience that kills organizations getting 50 cents on the dollar for a young player
enjoy life in the 1960's.
A .287 on base with no power is atrocious. and he got worse as the year went along
That being said, BB and OPB means something IF you can get on base on your own. Your numbers increase the more you're able to demonstrate that you have command of the strike zone both in terms of swinging at strikes but also by being able to get hits with balls in the strike zone.
The idea that everybody in your lineup has to have power is absolute BS ... how is that working for Toronto right now? How about the Cubs? I'm perfectly fine if Marte is a .270/.335 hitter that hits 9th in the order, can handle the bat, and put pressure on the base paths. He has room to grow in all categories ... but he's far from a lost cause. -
I'm not saying everyone has to have power. But if you don't you need to compensate for it in other categories.Tequilla said:
As a kid I valued the concept of a BB before anybody else in the mainstream media ever talked about that ... so thanks for that lesson ...dhdawg said:
batting average...Tequilla said:
He hit .259 as a 22 year old ... league average was .257.dhdawg said:
because I watched him, a lot. he's a hopeless hitter. his fundamentals are a mess and he has no power. it's not going to changeTequilla said:Why would you not expect a 22 year old playing his 1st major league season not to improve going forward?
I don't give 2 shits about power ... he hit .289 for his career in the minor leagues consistently playing above age. If there's one thing I was really disappointed with him this year was that I thought we'd see more speed with him.
I just don't see a reason to throw him to the curb yet ... that's the kind of impatience that kills organizations getting 50 cents on the dollar for a young player
enjoy life in the 1960's.
A .287 on base with no power is atrocious. and he got worse as the year went along
That being said, BB and OPB means something IF you can get on base on your own. Your numbers increase the more you're able to demonstrate that you have command of the strike zone both in terms of swinging at strikes but also by being able to get hits with balls in the strike zone.
The idea that everybody in your lineup has to have power is absolute BS ... how is that working for Toronto right now? How about the Cubs? I'm perfectly fine if Marte is a .270/.335 hitter that hits 9th in the order, can handle the bat, and put pressure on the base paths. He has room to grow in all categories ... but he's far from a lost cause.
Does he play really good defense? He's mediocre at best. Does he walk? No. Has he shown he can even hit all that well over a full season? No.
Get cozart for a year, stick marte in aaa, and re-examine next off season. And zunibo ftr isn't an example of a guy who has figured it out. He came up, got insanely hot, walked a lot cause teams weren't giving him anything to hit, and then when they adjusted he went back into being shit zunino.
