Just a reminder. I called a Clinton win by 20% two months ago. I stand by that.
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Many republicans? Try all. And you know who Donald Trump is surrounding himself with now? Corrupt insiders. Trump just pulled the biggest scam in human history. And the Democrats nominated someone so bad that they couldn't fucking call it what it was.Sledog said:Anyone but Hillary was also a rallying cry. The corruption that is the Clinton's and democrats as well as many republicans is the long term problem in our government.
A lot of the same people that voted for trump in Wisconsin also voted for fucking Ron Johnson who just took millions from the Koch brothers in ads because russ feingold was kciking his ass. Marco fucking Rubio. The list never ends. Anyone who voted for trump is a useful idiot. Enjoy 4 more years of shit economics except now with massive pollution and potentially a nuclear war -
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore -
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c. -
I have no love for George Will, but he might be right. I think a lot of smart people are trying to understand if traditional "left right" politics make sense anymore. Look at Trump. He isn't conservative or liberal, he is both, depending on the issue. And he won.HoustonHusky said:
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c. -
I also have no love for George Will, but agree he may be right. By the way, Reagan was much more "classical liberal", than true conservative. Will is a conservative, this disparity in political leaning was at the core of Will's issues with Reagan. His issues with Trump are also based on a schism between their political leanings, but with Trump, it also has to do with Trump's public behavior and rhetoric that can make many people cringe at times, coupled with some of Trump's political leanings that are far more left of center than any conservative can endorse. Trump is a lifelong New York Democrat after all, and it's ironic, but those on the left throwing rocks at him right now actually have more in common with him than they realize.Swaye said:
I have no love for George Will, but he might be right. I think a lot of smart people are trying to understand if traditional "left right" politics make sense anymore. Look at Trump. He isn't conservative or liberal, he is both, depending on the issue. And he won.HoustonHusky said:
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c.
Anyway, IMO, except for the Millennial (and younger) generation that has been thoroughly indoctrinated with regressive/progressive left wing ideology, most Americans are more or less "classical liberals" at their core, though most don't vote that way until they wake up. Unfortunately it took eight years of progressive oppression for them to finally wake up.
This election was about many things, economic and cultural, but at it's center was a big fuck you to Obama's legacy and Hillary's attempt to carry the baton. The best part of this whole thing has been a strange form of Morning in America ... again, that has been Mourning in America for CNN, MSNBC, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, New York Times, Washington Post, ... and many many more that were completely in the tank for Hillary. The meltdown has been epic and enormously satisfying to witness. -
Trump vs. Soros is gonna be epic
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He may be right, he may be wrong, but Will is a drippy C.Swaye said:
I have no love for George Will, but he might be right. I think a lot of smart people are trying to understand if traditional "left right" politics make sense anymore. Look at Trump. He isn't conservative or liberal, he is both, depending on the issue. And he won.HoustonHusky said:
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c.
Reagan came in and won, and in the process redefined what "conservative" was to the Republican party. Remember the Republican party of Nixon include price controls and lots of other things that are considered anything but conservative now, and hell even Reagan was not traditionally conservative on lots of things as well...he was known to slap tariffs on imports as an example.
The bigger story really is the trainwreck that is the Democratic Party...they have the least amount of power in a long time, the "leadership" is the washed up Clinton camp, and nobody really knows who the next leaders are going to be in their group and what they are going to be running on.
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Great poast. The narrative prior to #Trexit was the death of the Republican party. By winning the presidency, both houses of congress, and 33 governorships, that narrative is now as dead as Garland's appointment to the supreme court. The real story here is the trainwreck that is the Democrat Party. Praise be Pat Haden.HoustonHusky said:
He may be right, he may be wrong, but Will is a drippy C.Swaye said:
I have no love for George Will, but he might be right. I think a lot of smart people are trying to understand if traditional "left right" politics make sense anymore. Look at Trump. He isn't conservative or liberal, he is both, depending on the issue. And he won.HoustonHusky said:
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c.
Reagan came in and won, and in the process redefined what "conservative" was to the Republican party. Remember the Republican party of Nixon include price controls and lots of other things that are considered anything but conservative now, and hell even Reagan was not traditionally conservative on lots of things as well...he was known to slap tariffs on imports as an example.
The bigger story really is the trainwreck that is the Democratic Party...they have the least amount of power in a long time, the "leadership" is the washed up Clinton camp, and nobody really knows who the next leaders are going to be in their group and what they are going to be running on. -
The GOP is still in trouble. They just lost the popular vote to the worst major party presidential candidate of all time. Demographics changes are still trending in the wrong direction. This was a nice dead cat bounce for the GOP, but they're fools if they think this means they're safe. They still have major issues they need to fix stat if they want to be at all relevant in 15 years.Southerndawg said:
Great poast. The narrative prior to #Trexit was the death of the Republican party. By winning the presidency, both houses of congress, and 33 governorships, that narrative is now as dead as Garland's appointment to the supreme court. The real story here is the trainwreck that is the Democrat Party. Praise be Pat Haden.HoustonHusky said:
He may be right, he may be wrong, but Will is a drippy C.Swaye said:
I have no love for George Will, but he might be right. I think a lot of smart people are trying to understand if traditional "left right" politics make sense anymore. Look at Trump. He isn't conservative or liberal, he is both, depending on the issue. And he won.HoustonHusky said:
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c.
Reagan came in and won, and in the process redefined what "conservative" was to the Republican party. Remember the Republican party of Nixon include price controls and lots of other things that are considered anything but conservative now, and hell even Reagan was not traditionally conservative on lots of things as well...he was known to slap tariffs on imports as an example.
The bigger story really is the trainwreck that is the Democratic Party...they have the least amount of power in a long time, the "leadership" is the washed up Clinton camp, and nobody really knows who the next leaders are going to be in their group and what they are going to be running on.
This at least buys them a little time to get their shit together or put Sven in charge, but the smart money says they think this is a vote of confidence for their old ways. If they take it that way they'll still fall apart very soon. -
They are fools who think they are safe, until proven otherwise.dnc said:
The GOP is still in trouble. They just lost the popular vote to the worst major party presidential candidate of all time. Demographics changes are still trending in the wrong direction. This was a nice dead cat bounce for the GOP, but they're fools if they think this means they're safe. They still have major issues they need to fix stat if they want to be at all relevant in 15 years.Southerndawg said:
Great poast. The narrative prior to #Trexit was the death of the Republican party. By winning the presidency, both houses of congress, and 33 governorships, that narrative is now as dead as Garland's appointment to the supreme court. The real story here is the trainwreck that is the Democrat Party. Praise be Pat Haden.HoustonHusky said:
He may be right, he may be wrong, but Will is a drippy C.Swaye said:
I have no love for George Will, but he might be right. I think a lot of smart people are trying to understand if traditional "left right" politics make sense anymore. Look at Trump. He isn't conservative or liberal, he is both, depending on the issue. And he won.HoustonHusky said:
George Will is a whiny B that absolutely hated Reagan when Reagan was elected. He talked endlessly about the end of the party back then, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he is saying now.Swaye said:
I watched George Will say this country probably is no longer center right as the GOP has long believed. He might be right. This election shows the country wants an issue candidate that doesn't get too ideological, is basically centrist when you put everything together, and is interested in putting America and it's workers first. Simple.RaceBannon said:The conventional wisdom that the GOP can't win nationally appears to be half true. They lost the pop vote again but brushed off the road map to an electoral win.
They did it by running a Democrat.
Both parties could learn something from that. The GOP doesn't need a true believer conservative evangelical to win and the Democrats could use a candidate that is closer to center without being a corporate whore
I'm not saying Trump is Reagan, but I am saying Will is a drippy c.
Reagan came in and won, and in the process redefined what "conservative" was to the Republican party. Remember the Republican party of Nixon include price controls and lots of other things that are considered anything but conservative now, and hell even Reagan was not traditionally conservative on lots of things as well...he was known to slap tariffs on imports as an example.
The bigger story really is the trainwreck that is the Democratic Party...they have the least amount of power in a long time, the "leadership" is the washed up Clinton camp, and nobody really knows who the next leaders are going to be in their group and what they are going to be running on.
This at least buys them a little time to get their shit together or put Sven in charge, but the smart money says they think this is a vote of confidence for their old ways. If they take it that way they'll still fall apart very soon.
