It's freedom of speech, until it's not

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Your employer can fire your ass for shit like this and it isn't a constitutional issue.

However, the MLB Players Union is baddass. He gets paid even if they do fire his ass

2001400ex

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Do you even have a basic concept of the freedom of speech clause?

Here's a hint: if you say stupid shit, your employer can fire you.

doogsinparadise

Shit thread, shit poster.

doogsinparadise

Glad Clev was suspended, that shit has no place in sports.

topdawgnc

Every action has a consequence.

When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.

His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.

But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.

In your heart, you know I'm right.

greenblood

They'll still have to pay the remainder of his contract, but by no means do they need to continue to employ him. They can do the same if it went the other way. The Mariners are weighing the media here. They know if they keep him, they'll get media backlash. Release him, and they stay out of the press. Pretty easy call on their part right or wrong.

Fenderbender123

This is one of those discussions that comes down to the scope of how each individual participating in the discussion is viewing "freedom of speech". There are two types:

1) People who see that the person's ability to speak freely was not illegally lessened.

2) People who see that the person's ability to speak freely were physically lessened.

Both views are correct, and both views can fit under the idea of "free speech". The consequence of losing a job does factor into whether or not a person will say something, but that is not a violation of a person's constitutional rights. These arguments are basically just a bunch of people saying

"I'm type 1"

"Well ur dumb, cause I'm type 2"

RaceBannon

Every action has a consequence.

When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.

His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.

But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.

In your heart, you know I'm right.

The media types want athletes to get involved and speak out.

As long as it is the correct speaking out.

Kaepsknee

Glad ~~Clev~~ Kaep was suspended, that shit has no place in sports.

With that said... Everytime Portland takes the lead in Pussification Cup.... Seattle comes roaring back!!!!

doogie

He sucks. Cut him. Use this excuse to further some bullshit Mariners Care committee agenda item and use the open roster spot to build the team with a young guy

Easy call.

doogsinparadise

He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?

doogie

NFL is the No fun league. All business. Show up on Sunday, do your job. It's one thing that set the league apart from others. The NFL is the cause. They've lost control of that and it's affecting them in the ratings.

CuntWaffle

Can't expect the Mariners to be competitive with Clev tweeting stuff like that in THIS economy.

phineas

While I'm not one to defend BLM, these are just some dumb tweets by a dumb person. Should be fired just for being such a fucking dummy. Christ dude.

phineas

He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?

I'm all for someone "prominent" ...... if you will.... raising the issues he's describing.

But dude. Don't get drunk on the disabled list and tweet about locking animals in cages and expect anything less.

Kaepsknee

He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?

If you are rioting in the streets and breaking shit, you are a fucking animal no matter what your pussy, pinko, civics class taught you.

DerekJohnson

We like to call him "Clev". It's what we like to do.

allpurpleallgold

We're actually all animals. #evolution

doogsinparadise

We like to call him "Clev". It's what we like to do.

Very passive aggressive, Der.

topdawgnc

While I'm not one to defend BLM, these are just some dumb tweets by a dumb person. Should be fired just for being such a fucking dummy. Christ dude.

We should compliment the people for what they did?

Rioting, dragging people, and burning the city ...

You are an animal.

Period.

doogie

If were gonna bash people for bringing attention to important shit, I'm out

dhdawg

Whether or not you agree with what he says you'd think someone as shitty at baseball as he is would be smart enough to keep his mouth shut and not risk his career like this. Idiot

dhdawg

Every action has a consequence.

When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.

His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.

But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.

In your heart, you know I'm right.

Except you don't know that. If you can point to an athlete tweeting in support of rioting, looting, or locking up all cops and not facing any punishment I'll give this one to you.

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RaceBannon

Your employer can fire your ass for shit like this and it isn't a constitutional issue.

However, the MLB Players Union is baddass. He gets paid even if they do fire his ass

2001400ex

https://twitter.com/jonhumbert/status/779078210235531264/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Do you even have a basic concept of the freedom of speech clause?

Here's a hint: if you say stupid shit, your employer can fire you.

doogsinparadise

Shit thread, shit poster.

doogsinparadise

Glad Clev was suspended, that shit has no place in sports.

Every action has a consequence.

When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.

His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.

But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.

In your heart, you know I'm right.

The media types want athletes to get involved and speak out.

As long as it is the correct speaking out.

Kaepsknee

Glad ~~Clev~~ Kaep was suspended, that shit has no place in sports.

With that said... Everytime Portland takes the lead in Pussification Cup.... Seattle comes roaring back!!!!

doogie

He sucks. Cut him. Use this excuse to further some bullshit Mariners Care committee agenda item and use the open roster spot to build the team with a young guy

Easy call.

doogsinparadise

He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?

doogie

CuntWaffle

Can't expect the Mariners to be competitive with Clev tweeting stuff like that in THIS economy.

phineas

While I'm not one to defend BLM, these are just some dumb tweets by a dumb person. Should be fired just for being such a fucking dummy. Christ dude.

phineas

He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?

Kaepsknee

He called black people animals. But how is that in any way similar to what Kaepernick said?

If you are rioting in the streets and breaking shit, you are a fucking animal no matter what your pussy, pinko, civics class taught you.

DerekJohnson

We like to call him "Clev". It's what we like to do.

allpurpleallgold

We're actually all animals. #evolution

doogsinparadise

We like to call him "Clev". It's what we like to do.

Very passive aggressive, Der.

topdawgnc

While I'm not one to defend BLM, these are just some dumb tweets by a dumb person. Should be fired just for being such a fucking dummy. Christ dude.

We should compliment the people for what they did?

Rioting, dragging people, and burning the city ...

You are an animal.

Period.

doogie

If were gonna bash people for bringing attention to important shit, I'm out

dhdawg

Whether or not you agree with what he says you'd think someone as shitty at baseball as he is would be smart enough to keep his mouth shut and not risk his career like this. Idiot

dhdawg

Every action has a consequence.

When it comes to freedom of speech, the ability to speak your mind without censorship or restraint, there can be an equal and opposite reaction.

His employer is free to do as they see fit, and should, if they feel it destroys their brand.

But ... its fucked up. Had he Twitted in support of the riots, all would be fine in Mariner world.

In your heart, you know I'm right.

Except you don't know that. If you can point to an athlete tweeting in support of rioting, looting, or locking up all cops and not facing any punishment I'll give this one to you.