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pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,981 Founders Club
Building 7, September 11, 2001.


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  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited September 2016
    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.

  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,981 Founders Club
    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Continue.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    It's definitely fishy.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.

    Actually, the US bombed Pearl harbor, blamed it on Japan as an excuse to drop 2 nukes over a country that was irrelevant to the real war. We didn't want to bomb Germany cause we wanted to control the country for 40 years after the war.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,981 Founders Club
    edited September 2016
    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you a little slow, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Continue.
    I did.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you a little slow, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Go on...
    This should be interesting.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,981 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you a little slow, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Go on...
    This should be interesting.
    I'm asking the questions.

    It's your narrative.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,981 Founders Club
    edited September 2016
    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble?
    At the risk of using an already over used cliche on this board.

    Christ!
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,981 Founders Club
    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble?
    At the risk of using an already over used cliche on this board.

    Christ!

    Feel free to answer the question.
  • MisterEmMisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    Measles - 1
    Flying Boat - 0
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Note:

    I have no idea of the Wikipedia version is actually correct. I am just passing along what I'm reading out there.
  • BlackieBlackie Member Posts: 499
    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    pFixed it for you
    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble?
    At the risk of using an already over used cliche on this board.

    Christ Jake!
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,295 Founders Club
    I've been keeping Tac Town safe from terrorism for years and no one ever thanks me for my service.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,972 Standard Supporter
    edited September 2016
    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble?
    At the risk of using an already over used cliche on this board.

    Christ!

    Is Engrish your second ranguage, or what?
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    pawz said:

    OZONE said:

    What about it?

    Do you also believe the the British deliberately lured the Germans into sinking the Lusitania in order to draw the USA into the war? And that the British ordered all rescue boats back to port and to not help potential survivors of the Lusitania sinking in order to maximize US casualties and help enrage the US population into entering the war?

    I think that is far more likely, than the idea that 9/11 was a hoax.


    Let's stay on topic. Since you don't seem to give a shit about my lunatic fringe conspiray, I'll start with an indisputable fact.

    Fact #1 - The building was not hit by an airplane.
    Fixed it for you
    You didn't fix anything. You assumed.

    How did we go from a sturdy, free-standing building to a pile of rubble? What was the process?



    Enlighten me.
    Collapse Edit
    As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building[38] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[7] The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[7] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[39][40]

    After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[41] Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center; the flames visible on the east side of the building.[42][43] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[38] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[8] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[44] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[45] Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[46] According to FEMA, the building started to collapse at 5:20:33 pm EDT when the east mechanical penthouse started crumbling, but differing times are given as to what time the building completely collapsed—at 5:21:10 pm EDT according to FEMA, and at 5:20:52 pm EDT according to NIST.[6][7][47] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

    The NIST report found no evidence supporting conspiracy theories that 7 World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition. Specifically, the window breakage pattern and blast sounds that would have resulted from the use of explosives were not observed.[7] The suggestion that an incendiary material such as thermite was used instead of explosives was considered unlikely by NIST because of observations of the fire and the building's structural response to the fire, and because it is unlikely the necessary quantity of material could have been planted without discovery.[8]

    Based on its investigation, NIST reiterated several recommendations it had made in its earlier report on the collapse of the Twin Towers, and urged immediate action on a further recommendation: that fire resistance should be evaluated under the assumption that sprinklers are unavailable; and that the effects of thermal expansion on floor support systems be considered. Recognizing that current building codes are drawn to prevent loss of life rather than building collapse, the main point of NIST's recommendations was that buildings should not collapse from fire even if sprinklers are unavailable.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse
    That's what they want you to think.
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