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Obama ILLEGALLY paid $400 million ransom to Iran and Lied about it...
HoustonHusky
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HondoFS and OZONEfs said it was a settlement for an arms purchase back in 1970s and it wasn't a ransom, but we find out first we secretly paid them $400 million in cash, they wouldn't let the flight leave until the agreed upon cash arrived, and now we find out the claim Obama used as an excuse to pay was thrown out by the Tribunal in 2009:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/21/AR2009102103222.html
In July, the tribunal dismissed, 5 to 4, Iran's claim for $2.2 billion in compensation for military equipment that had been ordered by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi but that the U.S. government had refused to allow U.S. companies to deliver after the hostage crisis.
This should be a serious threat to anybody's Presidency...the Executive branch right now has WAY too much power. There is no law or authorization to spend any tax dollars on any of this. But instead he golfs (while Louisiana floods...) and nobody wants to hold him accountable...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/21/AR2009102103222.html
In July, the tribunal dismissed, 5 to 4, Iran's claim for $2.2 billion in compensation for military equipment that had been ordered by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi but that the U.S. government had refused to allow U.S. companies to deliver after the hostage crisis.
This should be a serious threat to anybody's Presidency...the Executive branch right now has WAY too much power. There is no law or authorization to spend any tax dollars on any of this. But instead he golfs (while Louisiana floods...) and nobody wants to hold him accountable...
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Quite honestly, the flooded part of Louisiana is pretty much useless. Unless you're a yuge fan of white trailer trash.
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East Baton Rouge Parish is ~50% black, but yeah, whatever.PurpleThrobber said:Quite honestly, the flooded part of Louisiana is pretty much useless. Unless you're a yuge fan of white trailer trash.
Hurts Trump.
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Louisiana needs to be it's own country and fund it's own disaster relief program. If you want to choose to live there and risk losing everything you own every 5-10 years, then all that risk is on you, buddy. Tired of this rebuilding shit.
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Oh, and fuck Obama and his illegal foreign policy shit.
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The least transparent and most criminally active administration in history.HoustonHusky said:
East Baton Rouge Parish is ~50% black, but yeah, whatever.PurpleThrobber said:Quite honestly, the flooded part of Louisiana is pretty much useless. Unless you're a yuge fan of white trailer trash.
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I like how you trivialize your own point by complaining about him golfing.
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More dead black voters. Hurts Trump.HoustonHusky said:
East Baton Rouge Parish is ~50% black, but yeah, whatever.PurpleThrobber said:Quite honestly, the flooded part of Louisiana is pretty much useless. Unless you're a yuge fan of white trailer trash.
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ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
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The other 50% votes trump.HoustonHusky said:
East Baton Rouge Parish is ~50% black, but yeah, whatever.PurpleThrobber said:Quite honestly, the flooded part of Louisiana is pretty much useless. Unless you're a yuge fan of white trailer trash.
Hurts Trump.
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Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
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How does this effect your life in any way?
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It AFFECTS the greater good of the world and also has an EFFECT on Uncle Sam's books. HTH.Peterman said:How does this effect your life in any way?
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So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
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It's the principle of it. But you're right. I'm sure it's for a good cause!Peterman said: -
Iran will fund ISIS to kill our troops. To Obamao that's a good cause.PurpleJ said: -
Reagan actually did give goods for hostages. That hasn't been proven yet in this case.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
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I was trolling for squish, slicking my hair like Gordon Gekko and knocking back copious amounts of Bartles and Jaymes during Iran contra.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
Speed limit IQ...
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So you were a teenager? Or a faggy adult.PurpleThrobber said:
I was trolling for squish, slicking my hair like Gordon Gekko and knocking back copious amounts of Bartles and Jaymes during Iran contra.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
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Mostly I was doing your mom post-undergrad years.2001400ex said:
So you were a teenager? Or a faggy adult.PurpleThrobber said:
I was trolling for squish, slicking my hair like Gordon Gekko and knocking back copious amounts of Bartles and Jaymes during Iran contra.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
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The Reagan admin never paid a ransom or gave Iran anything...they sold weapons (at a large premium), and a bunch of people got in trouble for it.OZONE said:
Reagan actually did give goods for hostages. That hasn't been proven yet in this case.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
Speed limit IQ...
Now waiting for your concern on this... -
The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ماجراي ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-Contra), also referred to as Irangate,[1] Contragate[2] or the Iran–Contra scandal, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration. Senior administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.HoustonHusky said:
The Reagan admin never paid a ransom or gave Iran anything...they sold weapons (at a large premium), and a bunch of people got in trouble for it.OZONE said:
Reagan actually did give goods for hostages. That hasn't been proven yet in this case.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
Speed limit IQ...
Now waiting for your concern on this...
The scandal began as an operation to free the seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the United States would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the U.S. hostages.[4][5] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4]
While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] the evidence is disputed as to whether he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[4][5][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'".[8] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[9] The investigation was impeded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[10] On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages".[11]
Several investigations ensued, including those by the U.S. Congress and the three-person, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped because the administration refused to declassify certain documents. The indicted conspirators faced various lesser charges instead. In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal.[12] The rest of those indicted or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the presidency of George H. W. Bush, who had been vice-president at the time of the affair.[13] -
They gave Iran goods Iran wanted, to get hostages freed in Lebanon. Learn your history.HoustonHusky said:
The Reagan admin never paid a ransom or gave Iran anything...they sold weapons (at a large premium), and a bunch of people got in trouble for it.OZONE said:
Reagan actually did give goods for hostages. That hasn't been proven yet in this case.2001400ex said:
So I'm assuming you were calling for Reagan's head during the Iran contra hearings?HoustonHusky said:
Being a shitty prez isn't illegal....paying a $400 million cash ransom to a state sponsor of terrorism is.2001400ex said:Are you just now shocked that every action of Obama is illegal?
Oh yeah, and golf.
Speed limit IQ...
Now waiting for your concern on this...
As to this year's deal... http://www.vox.com/2016/8/4/12370848/ransom-iran-400-million -
Wow...HondoFS copies wiki which said he's wrong, and OZONEfs cites a VOX article that is proven false from a Washington Post article back in 2009.
But hey...how are you both not FS...
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The Washington Post piece was an opinion, not an article (learn the difference), and it didn't prove anything.HoustonHusky said:OZONE cites a VOX article that is proven false from a Washington Post article back in 2009.
If that is the best response you have, it just shows how fucktarded your entire argument is.
