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Good Jack Lockner Analysis For Those Who Care

dncdnc Member Posts: 56,748
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Grantland gives Jack the full Barnwell treatment. Good read for Damone and others who might be interested.

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  • MeekMeek Member Posts: 7,031
    Tl;dr but watching tonight's game Jack is better than both Kaep and Bradford
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    I heard Bonnell was a better QB.
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  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Meek said:

    Tl;dr but watching tonight's game Fouch is better than Bradford

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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Kaepernick is making a lot of the experts look bad. Jaworski actually said he thought Kaepernick had the potential to be one of the best QB's of all time.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Kaepernick is making a lot of the experts look bad. Jaworski actually said he thought Kaepernick had the potential to be one of the best QB's of all time.

    I thought that was an asinine statement at the time. He had only 7 career starts under his belt.

    I also might be bias against Kaepernick since he's looked absolutely fucking terrible against the Seahawks both meetings they have played.
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  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Kaepernick is making a lot of the experts look bad. Jaworski actually said he thought Kaepernick had the potential to be one of the best QB's of all time.

    I thought that was an asinine statement at the time. He had only 7 career starts under his belt.

    I also might be bias against Kaepernick since he's looked absolutely fucking terrible against the Seahawks both meetings they have played.
    I've seen him play well, but he is struggling this year. He isn't running like he was last year, but that may be done on purpose to keep him healthy. Lots of analysts were overhyping him, Jaworski being the worst. I don't know if he is even a top 10 QB at this time. He has a long way to go before deserving that kind of praise.

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    RoadDawg55 said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Kaepernick is making a lot of the experts look bad. Jaworski actually said he thought Kaepernick had the potential to be one of the best QB's of all time.

    I thought that was an asinine statement at the time. He had only 7 career starts under his belt.

    I also might be bias against Kaepernick since he's looked absolutely fucking terrible against the Seahawks both meetings they have played.
    I've seen him play well, but he is struggling this year. He isn't running like he was last year, but that may be done on purpose to keep him healthy. Lots of analysts were overhyping him, Jaworski being the worst. I don't know if he is even a top 10 QB at this time. He has a long way to go before deserving that kind of praise.

    Why I always thought Wilson was better than him and still do is Wilson keeps his composure. Wilson when he plays bad(first half vs SF) he's not killing the team with stupid turnovers that will hurt you.

    While in that same game Kaepernick was also struggle but the difference is he was turning the ball over trying to make that big play. Kaepernick is very emotional he has his high's and lows so his best game is probably better than Wilson's.

    Just Wilson is more even keel and won't ever fuck you out of a game.

    I noticed in general this year teams have had an entire offseason to study the read option are containing it more. Last year RG3, Wilson, Kap were running wild with it. Now are being contained more. Part of it is by designed as you don't want to run your franchise QB out of the league in three years and I think part is defenses have made some adjustments as well.
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  • TTJTTJ Member Posts: 4,798
    Good article, dnc: "[Lockner] needs to stop being the guy who can make all the throws and become the guy who does make all of them."
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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,748
    TTJ said:

    Good article, dnc: "[Lockner] needs to stop being the guy who can make all the throws and become the guy who does make all of them."

    If Grantland allowed comments I'd quote that line and say "Welcome to 2007".
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  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    Kaepernick will be a pretty good QB in the NFL but he won't even be close to touching greatest of all time status. The guy can make Jack Lockner look like a genius out there sometimes and his accuracy isn't always the best.
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  • Mad_SonMad_Son Member Posts: 10,180
    Locker was never going to be Drew Brees, but I do wonder if he had more time with Sark and Nussmeier if he actually could have developed into an accurate QB. Sark's real strengths lie in QB coaching as far as I can tell. Likewise if he had QB coaches at Tennessee it would be interesting. Right now it is not interesting.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Mad_Son said:

    Locker was never going to be Drew Brees, but I do wonder if he had more time with Sark and Nussmeier if he actually could have developed into an accurate QB. Sark's real strengths lie in QB coaching as far as I can tell. Likewise if he had QB coaches at Tennessee it would be interesting. Right now it is not interesting.

    Lockner is still who he was in college, even with 2.5 years of pro coaching.

    It has fucking played out.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Sark is good at preparing QB's for NFL.

    Look at his "great" job with Sanchez, Leinart, Cassell, and David Booty.
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  • Mad_SonMad_Son Member Posts: 10,180
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Mad_Son said:

    Locker was never going to be Drew Brees, but I do wonder if he had more time with Sark and Nussmeier if he actually could have developed into an accurate QB. Sark's real strengths lie in QB coaching as far as I can tell. Likewise if he had QB coaches at Tennessee it would be interesting. Right now it is not interesting.

    Lockner is still who he was in college, even with 2.5 years of pro coaching.

    It has fucking played out.
    Dowell Loggains and now Dave Ragone have been his pro "coaching". I am talking about having someone who is actually one of the top QB coaches (which yes, I believe Sark to be) work with him extensively - preferably earlier in his career. The phrase you can't teach an old dog new tricks is especially true for people of certain intellectual statures. I think Jack falls into that category.
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  • Mad_SonMad_Son Member Posts: 10,180
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Sark is good at preparing QB's for NFL.

    Look at his "great" job with Sanchez, Leinart, Cassell, and David Booty.

    We saw how far they all got with coaching. Not everyone can be elite - I never would be. Maybe Locker reached all he is capable of but maybe he didn't. I strongly disagree with anyone who thinks that Sark is a worse QB coach than what Locker had in 2007 (spoiler alert: we didn't have a QB coach in 2007).
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  • IrishDawg22IrishDawg22 Member Posts: 2,754
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Mad_Son said:

    Locker was never going to be Drew Brees, but I do wonder if he had more time with Sark and Nussmeier if he actually could have developed into an accurate QB. Sark's real strengths lie in QB coaching as far as I can tell. Likewise if he had QB coaches at Tennessee it would be interesting. Right now it is not interesting.

    Lockner is still who he was in college, even with 2.5 years of pro coaching.

    It has fucking played out.
    I bet the majority of Bronco fans are glad you weren't their GM:

    http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/profile

    As always, LIPO.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    edited September 2013
    Did IrishDoogFS just compare Locker to fucking Elway?!

    I bet you think Sark is next Saban too.

    Fuck you are Section14AFS in this thread.

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  • IrishDawg22IrishDawg22 Member Posts: 2,754
    edited September 2013
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Did IrishDoogFS just compare Locker to fucking Elway?!

    I bet you think Sark is next Saban too.

    Fuck you are Section14AFS in this thread.

    I feel sorry for you.

    Hopefully the state provides some type of assistance.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Is this another bullshit attempt at "not defending" Locker?!

    Comparing Locker to Elway is dumber than anything AuburnDoogFS has ever said.

    Take that bad Doog argument back to Doogman.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    IrishDawg22 said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Mad_Son said:

    Locker was never going to be Drew Brees, but I do wonder if he had more time with Sark and Nussmeier if he actually could have developed into an accurate QB. Sark's real strengths lie in QB coaching as far as I can tell. Likewise if he had QB coaches at Tennessee it would be interesting. Right now it is not interesting.

    Lockner is still who he was in college, even with 2.5 years of pro coaching.

    It has fucking played out.
    I bet the majority of Bronco fans are glad you weren't their GM:

    http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/profile

    As always, LIPO.
    Elway proved he could actually play QB in college though:

    http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/john-elway-1.html
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