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Fozzy = Nick Montana.
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That is a pretty hot take.RaceBannon said:
ThisCuntWaffle said:I don't even really know how you can really evaluate OLine at a HS level. Most Dtackles in HS are fucking tiny. To me it should be more about getting some big strong fuckers to really coach up.
It is Doog 101 but it is also true - O line translates least well to college ball
Noted 7 wide out recruiting coach Rick Neuheisel brought in the top ranked class of O linemen one year. People forget that because they were all busts. The best of the bunch never played a down due to injury.
I'll take 5 stars any day but if a kid is 6 foot 5 300 pounds with a nasty attitude and a love of HGH we can work with him
Bama and Ohio State dominate recruiting at the D line, linebacker, running back and wide out categories. I'm all for joining in on that action.
You know what the big question mark for Bama this year was? The O line and quarterback
But Nick coaches them up every year.
BAMA signed 12 Scout top300 players on the OL in the last five years. Six top100.
And it's not even about the stars. It is about signing the guys that CP and Strausser identify as our top targets.
If we whiff on our top 5 guys I don't give a flying fuck if the sixth guy is a 4* or a 2*. -
And that is a scorching hot take.doogie said:Fozzy = Nick Montana.
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As far as OL recruiting goes, my primary complaint at this point is more about numbers and class balance than quality. And the decisions on numbers are more of a Petersen thing than a Strausser thing, I think.
All ratings are from Scout
2014
James 3-star
Sosebee 2-star
Turner 2-star
Burleson 2-star
McGary 4-star (don't know if the staff saw him as an OL or a DL, but he is an OL now)
Class average: 2.6 stars
Obviously the quality in 2014 was disappointing, but Petersen and staff were left scrambling to fill up that class. Getting McGary was huge. Sosebee is contributing. The others are crap until proven otherwise. Probably about what you could expect at this stage from a class with a 2.6 star average.
2015
Roberts 4-star
Hilbers 3-star
Adams 4-star
Class average: 3.67 stars
Adams is a stud. Roberts and Hilbers haven't done anything yet, and Roberts is still 3rd string, but they are both RS-Freshmen. A little worrisome, but it is still early.
2016
Harris 3-star (low 3-star, was probably a 2-star until UW offered)
Wattenberg 4-star
Class average: 3.5 stars
Harris has played and been effective, quite unexpectedly.
2017
n/a
So the 2014 class was poor, from a perceived (and probably actual) talent perspective, but it isn't really a fair evaluation of Petersen or Strausser's recruiting.
In 2015 & 2016 combined, they signed five OLs, three of whom were 4-stars and two of whom were 3-stars. That is basically on par with the overall talent ranking of the rest of those classes, excluding kickers and long snappers.
2017...obviously anxities are high.
If we look at 2015 & 2016 as the only complete and fair data sets to evaluate, the recruiting at the OL position group isn't obviously deficient relative to the talent that is being brought in at other positions. Small sample size and all that, but there isn't really anything else to look at.
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Sounds like you lead a miserable and pathetic life and need to take a walk with your wife to get some perspectiveFremontTroll said:
That is a pretty hot take.RaceBannon said:
ThisCuntWaffle said:I don't even really know how you can really evaluate OLine at a HS level. Most Dtackles in HS are fucking tiny. To me it should be more about getting some big strong fuckers to really coach up.
It is Doog 101 but it is also true - O line translates least well to college ball
Noted 7 wide out recruiting coach Rick Neuheisel brought in the top ranked class of O linemen one year. People forget that because they were all busts. The best of the bunch never played a down due to injury.
I'll take 5 stars any day but if a kid is 6 foot 5 300 pounds with a nasty attitude and a love of HGH we can work with him
Bama and Ohio State dominate recruiting at the D line, linebacker, running back and wide out categories. I'm all for joining in on that action.
You know what the big question mark for Bama this year was? The O line and quarterback
But Nick coaches them up every year.
BAMA signed 12 Scout top300 players on the OL in the last five years. Six top100.
And it's not even about the stars. It is about signing the guys that CP and Strausser identify as our top targets.
If we whiff on our top 5 guys I don't give a flying fuck if the sixth guy is a 4* or a 2*. -
This thread is @DeadDogOnTheRoad at his finest ...
I don't disagree with having some levels of LIPO matters a bit here ...
I also agree with the point that @RaceBannon made that OL recruiting can be a giant crapshoot as it is the hardest to look forward on with regards to player development, weight room training, etc.
That being said when you're recruiting guys that are almost sure fire 1st round picks in the NFL with the right player development and some of them are located in the backyard .. you need to keep those kids at home ... and the reason why is because the surest way to make sure that you have a consistently high caliber team is to be dominant on both sides of the line.
The reality is that the numbers we've recruited on the OL aren't where they need to be in the years past and going forward. They are dangerously thin. You could probably get away with that if you are recruiting studs and have no issues with player development and depth. But if you're trying to get projects ready to play before they are ready the results can be a disaster.
There's nothing that can short circuit a talented team more than having a shit OL ... that's why people are worried because they can see that possibility down the road coming to fruition -
Yeah. It's a total crap shoot. Doesn't matter who you get.CuntWaffle said:I don't even really know how you can really evaluate OLine at a HS level. Most Dtackles in HS are fucking tiny. To me it should be more about getting some big strong fuckers to really coach up.
The fact that all the top schools offer the same guys probably doesn't mean anything. -
Jesus, Roadie... Generally you do the lord's work on these boards and you're often one of my favorite classy poasters, but this is some truly illogical and malinformed bullshit you're spouting here... Here are five reasons why.
1. As someone already pointed out... Enjoying the current success and keeping an eye towards the future is not, and never has been, mutually exclusive. That's a bizarre fucking argument.
2. Our OL has been a steaming barrel of monkey semen the last two years, and quite frankly, was pretty underwhelming during the preseason this year. They've really turned it on the last two games, but I think we can all agree that this came against Oregon and Stanford teams that can hardly be considered vintage by recent standards. So to me, the jury is still out on Strausser as an OL coach and developer of talent.
3. The jury is certainly in, however, on Strausser as a recruiter. Strausser couldn't recruit Spooge to a fucking NAMBLA rally. The OL numbers the last few years have not been good, 3 OL in 2015, 2 OL in 2016, and so far (with very few spots remaining) 0 OL in 2017. This is going to cause problems in the future, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
4. It's not just that Fozzy is probably going to The Farm (ILTCITF, IWILTD), but that we also whiffed on every other top OL target this year... Vera Tucker, Wyatt Davis, Forsyth etc.
5. Finally, hanging out around a recruiting message board, then judging and belittling the people who express strong opinions about the very topic the message board caters to, is some truly Grinolds'esque shit. Nobody was clamoring for your opinion on this subject, and if you're that offended that people are upset about OL recruiting, then you probably don't need to keep poasting.
Perhaps you could take advantage of this crisp fall Tuesday and enjoy a long walk on the beach instead. It's possible that as you breath in the salty air and listen to the gentle, ryhthmic crashing of the waves against the sun-baked sand, some perspective might very well be gained.
Just don't get any more sand in your vagina while you're there. -
You seem upsetDennis_DeYoung said:
Yeah. It's a total crap shoot. Doesn't matter who you get.CuntWaffle said:I don't even really know how you can really evaluate OLine at a HS level. Most Dtackles in HS are fucking tiny. To me it should be more about getting some big strong fuckers to really coach up.
The fact that all the top schools offer the same guys probably doesn't mean anything. -
It's important to remember that UW only lost 1 OL after the 2015 season (Tifunga) and will lose only two after 2016 (Eldrenkamp and Brostek) so losing 2 means you replace their scholarships with 2 or 3 (can't remember if Kneip is on scholarship).
I think the staff will get Henry B (OT) and the Sacramento OG (Orlando Umana) with Sarrell TBD, which makes for 2 or 3 OL.
