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Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there. -
Athletic ability is great in basketball ... but at the end of the day, you always take the more skilled player if the difference in athletic ability isn't significant.
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Flop them out, measure, and congratulate the winner. I see no other way to end this thread.
And besides, Tequila owes us a fucking podcast! Don't be his excuse for keeping him from it. Teq: Drop that fucker! -
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability -
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell. -
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell. -
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it. -
The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.dnc said:
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.
True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.
I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk -
Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.dnc said:
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.
True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.
I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk
Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.
Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though. -
Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UWdnc said:
Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.dnc said:
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.
True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.
I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk
Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.
Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.
And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference
