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Former 4 star AF General says carpet bombing runs counter to the ethics of the military
GreenRiverGatorz
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We all know Ted Cruz is a blood thirsty nutjob. How can anyone support a candidate whose foreign policy involves a strategy that would kill 30 civilians for every one terrorist it eliminates? Michael Hayden even alludes to the Air Force defying an order from the Commander-in-Chief should a hypothetical President Cruz give such a command.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/02/27/exp-gps-hayden-web-extra-cruz.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/02/27/exp-gps-hayden-web-extra-cruz.cnn
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The burnt corpses of Dresden, Tokyo and myself enjoyed this post
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DSDPOTD
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Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
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WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
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They're all terrorists. HTH.
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Last I checked that was on the 40s, hth.RaceBannon said:The burnt corpses of Dresden, Tokyo and myself enjoyed this post
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Winners win
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2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them. -
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot. -
Sounds like we need a kinder, gentler way of obliterating our enemies.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
But ahem.... pssst.... That Genies is out of the bottle and she aint goin back in. Jihadists hate. That's what they do. We could give them what they wanted and they still would act towards the elimination of America and Western culture. -
Your talking about Obama's drone kills?GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot. -
So the Germans and Japs got the message that you either stop or you die. And they are allies today.
ISIS is as strong as it is today because the world let them. It is a movement based on a religious fever that isn't going away if we play nice. The last time Europe ignored the movement of Islam they were fighting them in Spain and the Baltics
If we don't want total war, that's fine. Forget about the half ass war and sit here in Fortress America and wait for the barbarians to reach the gate. -
Carpet bombing is for pussies. It only gets most of the terrorists. Ground Zero Nukes get them all.
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ROFLRaceBannon said:So the Germans and Japs got the message that you either stop or you die. And they are allies today.
ISIS is as strong as it is today because the world let them. It is a movement based on a religious fever that isn't going away if we play nice. The last time Europe ignored the movement of Islam they were fighting them in Spain and the Baltics
If we don't want total war, that's fine. Forget about the half ass war and sit here in Fortress America and wait for the barbarians to reach the gate. -
One fucking idiot to another: Obama helped create ISIS and we have armed them. At least I'm not a clueless fucking idiot!GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
Odd seems we accidentally killed 250,000 allied civilians in WWII and the allies didn't support the Nazi's........ -
And we can thank @DerekJohnson for not shutting it.RaceBannon said:So the Germans and Japs got the message that you either stop or you die. And they are allies today.
ISIS is as strong as it is today because the world let them. It is a movement based on a religious fever that isn't going away if we play nice. The last time Europe ignored the movement of Islam they were fighting them in Spain and the Baltics
If we don't want total war, that's fine. Forget about the half ass war and sit here in Fortress America and wait for the barbarians to reach the gate.
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Yeah it helps when you actually rebuild the countries you destroy.RaceBannon said:The burnt corpses of Dresden, Tokyo and myself enjoyed this post
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You have to pacify them and then stay there to do so. You can't cut and run with the job half doneUWhuskytskeet said:
Yeah it helps when you actually rebuild the countries you destroy.RaceBannon said:The burnt corpses of Dresden, Tokyo and myself enjoyed this post
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You're actually not far off. Letting al-Maliki run roughshed with his anti-Sunni campaigns following our departure from Iraq is almost entirely responsible for the rise of ISIS. But killing civilians for the last 15 years has allowed what would be an inconsequential group of 1000 fanatics and former Sadam loyalists to balloon into the 100,000+ fighters that we have today. And that applies to the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and other Islamic groups across the globe.Sledog said:
One fucking idiot to another: Obama helped create ISIS and we have armed them. At least I'm not a clueless fucking idiot!GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
Odd seems we accidentally killed 250,000 allied civilians in WWII and the allies didn't support the Nazi's........
The turban-headed fucks that are occupying and oppressing your village all of a sudden look like the good guys when your brother is split in two by a missile with "Courtesy of America" stamped on the side. It's really not hard to see how extremism is breeding as fast as it is. -
I don't entirely disagree but what we first have to do is recognize the jihadist's are fighting a religious war. Our side doesn't seem to want to admit that fact. They hate us because we are not muslims in their mold. They've been waging that war for centuries. The crusades kept them quiet for a long time but that memory has faded and now they think with the money we have given them for oil it's time to go on the attack again. They have been very patient. The there's the whole suni shia mess.........GreenRiverGatorz said:
You're actually not far off. Letting al-Maliki run roughshed with his anti-Sunni campaigns following our departure from Iraq is almost entirely responsible for the rise of ISIS. But killing civilians for the last 15 years has allowed what would be an inconsequential group of 1000 fanatics and former Sadam loyalists to balloon into the 100,000+ fighters that we have today. And that applies to the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and other Islamic groups across the globe.Sledog said:
One fucking idiot to another: Obama helped create ISIS and we have armed them. At least I'm not a clueless fucking idiot!GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
Odd seems we accidentally killed 250,000 allied civilians in WWII and the allies didn't support the Nazi's........
The turban-headed fucks that are occupying and oppressing your village all of a sudden look like the good guys when your brother is split in two by a missile with "Courtesy of America" stamped on the side. It's really not hard to see how extremism is breeding as fast as it is. -
DisagreeSledog said:
One fucking idiot to another: Obama helped create ISIS and we have armed them. At least I'm not a clueless fucking idiot!GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
Odd seems we accidentally killed 250,000 allied civilians in WWII and the allies didn't support the Nazi's........ -
Well that's an informative statement.dflea said:
DisagreeSledog said:
One fucking idiot to another: Obama helped create ISIS and we have armed them. At least I'm not a clueless fucking idiot!GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
Odd seems we accidentally killed 250,000 allied civilians in WWII and the allies didn't support the Nazi's........ -
Are you new here?Sledog said:
Well that's an informative statement.dflea said:
DisagreeSledog said:
One fucking idiot to another: Obama helped create ISIS and we have armed them. At least I'm not a clueless fucking idiot!GreenRiverGatorz said:
The most effective way to breed terrorists is to kill innocents and confirm the jihadists' message that America is the enemy. It's the exact reason ISIS is as strong as it is today.Sledog said:
2001 could you put some ear plugs in that air movement is annoying.2001400ex said:
WwooosssshhhhSledog said:Yeah and we didn't use napalm in Iraq....
War has collateral damage. If you want to win you kill the enemy until he no longer wishes to fight. When we do that we win wars when we fuck around winning hearts and minds we get bogged down in quagmires where the politicians decide on who we can kill. I'm not saying there should be excessive collateral damage but it can not be avoided especially in the middle east. Those bastards use civilians as shields and place AA, artillery etc. in schools and Masques. They endanger civilians on purpose as they know our morals will help protect them.
I don't know why I'm responding to you though, you're a fucking idiot.
Odd seems we accidentally killed 250,000 allied civilians in WWII and the allies didn't support the Nazi's........ -
Been here over a year. But on the football side. Just dropped into Tug to see what it's about.
