Former Seattle Church Run Like Organized Crime Syndicate
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As a Man of the Cloth...yes this is true.salemcoog said: -
I know it's chic to make fun of "organized religion" (Mars Hill was non-denominational and, thus, not a religion. Although a hypocrite, Driscoll spoke out against organized religion), but to say anyone deserves to be defrauded of their money out of good faith is FS.Tequilla said:People that donate over $90k to a church over a multi-year period probably deserve to be defrauded out of it IMO ...
That doesn't mean that the above should be twisted into any specific religious beliefs by me or not ... but people that pay significant money to support a religion should probably take a long walk and get some perspective about what religion really is
This, though, is an inherent problem when a pastor becomes more important than the church itself. And in tithing, people aren't paying "significant money to support a religion", they are led to believe they're helping keep the doors open, but the majority of the tithing should be going to outreach programs, missionaries, the poor, other ministries, etc. You are trusting that the church will appropriate the funds as necessary. A past church I went to had a complete giving statement every month, how much was given and EXACTLY where every dollar went to, including the pastors' salaries (which they all kept below 25k). That's how it should be.
Nobody "deserves" to be defrauded out of their money. But if anybody does it's douchefucks like Jeff Razore who give hundreds of thousands to their fucking high school football team. That's gayer than gay. -
Nah if you're too stupid to figure out that they're not putting your money to good use then you deserve to get scammed. I'd never even attend a church like that, let alone write them a check. That's like giving Kim money.
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PLSS, true?PurpleJ said:Nah if you're too stupid to figure out that they're not putting your money to good use then you deserve to get scammed. I'd never even attend a church like that, let alone write them a check. That's like giving Kim money.
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Don't think this church lets the gays in. PLSS needs a more tolerant charlatan. He's not gonna take that. Oh yes he is.GrundleStiltzkin said:
PLSS, true?PurpleJ said:Nah if you're too stupid to figure out that they're not putting your money to good use then you deserve to get scammed. I'd never even attend a church like that, let alone write them a check. That's like giving Kim money.
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Im down with most of what you are saying other than all pastors salaries should be under $25k. I'm not for the millionaire pastor but most of those dudes spent a long time in school and work crazy hours, I have no problemDugtheDoog said:
I know it's chic to make fun of "organized religion" (Mars Hill was non-denominational and, thus, not a religion. Although a hypocrite, Driscoll spoke out against organized religion), but to say anyone deserves to be defrauded of their money out of good faith is FS.Tequilla said:People that donate over $90k to a church over a multi-year period probably deserve to be defrauded out of it IMO ...
That doesn't mean that the above should be twisted into any specific religious beliefs by me or not ... but people that pay significant money to support a religion should probably take a long walk and get some perspective about what religion really is
This, though, is an inherent problem when a pastor becomes more important than the church itself. And in tithing, people aren't paying "significant money to support a religion", they are led to believe they're helping keep the doors open, but the majority of the tithing should be going to outreach programs, missionaries, the poor, other ministries, etc. You are trusting that the church will appropriate the funds as necessary. A past church I went to had a complete giving statement every month, how much was given and EXACTLY where every dollar went to, including the pastors' salaries (which they all kept below 25k). That's how it should be.
Nobody "deserves" to be defrauded out of their money. But if anybody does it's douchefucks like Jeff Razore who give hundreds of thousands to their fucking high school football team. That's gayer than gay.
with them being paid comfortably. -
I didn't realize you could make such good money with a church. I'm starting one tomorrow. We will practice idol worship (Keeley) and during lent you will only be able to eat Cheetos.
Here's our first Saint:
Send money now. I'll use it for rows of PlayStations for Call of Duty tournaments. -
Do we muzzle the ox that treads the grain?dnc said:
Im down with most of what you are saying other than all pastors salaries should be under $25k. I'm not for the millionaire pastor but most of those dudes spent a long time in school and work crazy hours, I have no problemDugtheDoog said:
I know it's chic to make fun of "organized religion" (Mars Hill was non-denominational and, thus, not a religion. Although a hypocrite, Driscoll spoke out against organized religion), but to say anyone deserves to be defrauded of their money out of good faith is FS.Tequilla said:People that donate over $90k to a church over a multi-year period probably deserve to be defrauded out of it IMO ...
That doesn't mean that the above should be twisted into any specific religious beliefs by me or not ... but people that pay significant money to support a religion should probably take a long walk and get some perspective about what religion really is
This, though, is an inherent problem when a pastor becomes more important than the church itself. And in tithing, people aren't paying "significant money to support a religion", they are led to believe they're helping keep the doors open, but the majority of the tithing should be going to outreach programs, missionaries, the poor, other ministries, etc. You are trusting that the church will appropriate the funds as necessary. A past church I went to had a complete giving statement every month, how much was given and EXACTLY where every dollar went to, including the pastors' salaries (which they all kept below 25k). That's how it should be.
Nobody "deserves" to be defrauded out of their money. But if anybody does it's douchefucks like Jeff Razore who give hundreds of thousands to their fucking high school football team. That's gayer than gay.
with them being paid comfortably. -
Awfully warm for February, 50 ADRaceBannon said:
Do we muzzle the ox that treads the grain?dnc said:
Im down with most of what you are saying other than all pastors salaries should be under $25k. I'm not for the millionaire pastor but most of those dudes spent a long time in school and work crazy hours, I have no problemDugtheDoog said:
I know it's chic to make fun of "organized religion" (Mars Hill was non-denominational and, thus, not a religion. Although a hypocrite, Driscoll spoke out against organized religion), but to say anyone deserves to be defrauded of their money out of good faith is FS.Tequilla said:People that donate over $90k to a church over a multi-year period probably deserve to be defrauded out of it IMO ...
That doesn't mean that the above should be twisted into any specific religious beliefs by me or not ... but people that pay significant money to support a religion should probably take a long walk and get some perspective about what religion really is
This, though, is an inherent problem when a pastor becomes more important than the church itself. And in tithing, people aren't paying "significant money to support a religion", they are led to believe they're helping keep the doors open, but the majority of the tithing should be going to outreach programs, missionaries, the poor, other ministries, etc. You are trusting that the church will appropriate the funds as necessary. A past church I went to had a complete giving statement every month, how much was given and EXACTLY where every dollar went to, including the pastors' salaries (which they all kept below 25k). That's how it should be.
Nobody "deserves" to be defrauded out of their money. But if anybody does it's douchefucks like Jeff Razore who give hundreds of thousands to their fucking high school football team. That's gayer than gay.
with them being paid comfortably.
