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NCAA Tournament Bubble

TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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Is incredibly soft this year ... how in the world Gonzaga is even in the discussion for an at-large berth with a RPI/SOS slash line of 67/120 and a 2-7 record against the RPI top 100 is beyond me.

That being said, just another example of how the excuses with Romar never can get in line with reality ... because if he can't take a super talented group of young players and get them in the tournament THIS year, when can it be expected?

Let's get one thing on the table right now in advance of Selection Sunday ... IF you aren't selected as one of the 68 teams this year, you have ZERO right to be able to complain about how deserving you were. This field should probably be capped somewhere in the upper 50s.

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    greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,280
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    Tequilla said:

    Is incredibly soft this year ... how in the world Gonzaga is even in the discussion for an at-large berth with a RPI/SOS slash line of 67/120 and a 2-7 record against the RPI top 100 is beyond me.

    That being said, just another example of how the excuses with Romar never can get in line with reality ... because if he can't take a super talented group of young players and get them in the tournament THIS year, when can it be expected?

    Let's get one thing on the table right now in advance of Selection Sunday ... IF you aren't selected as one of the 68 64 teams this year, you have ZERO right to be able to complain about how deserving you were. This field should probably be capped somewhere in the upper 50s.

    If you lose in the first four "play in" games, you didn't make the tournament. HTH
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    huskyhooliganhuskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,101
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    Gonzaga this year is getting by solely on name alone. Their resume is shit. Trying to see how that gets in line with Romar is a bit confusing. Gonzaga has the senior McD AA and the all Euro center. Their guard play is shit though. Better team with Karnowski obviously, apparently Few didn't take that into account with their depth. Gotta play with what you recruit.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Only part where it applies to Romar is that the bubble is so soft that you've got to work pretty hard to not get into this tournament. Teams that were assumed dead a month ago not only are back in the discussion, but feeling relatively good about their position.

    I'm not sure if I think Gonzaga is hurt that much by Karnowski's injury ... it's given more minutes to Sabonis. Depth issue though is a fair point though. The thought that they were playing all of their 3 bigs at the same time early in the year was fucktardedly stupid. Their guard play is an absolute joke though ... even if they get into the tournament they will be dispatched quickly because of their lack of guard play.
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    GladstoneGladstone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,417
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    Worst guard play of the Few era for sure. They had such strong guards for so long. Santangelo. Fraum. Stepp. Dickau. Ravio. Pangos. Bell etc. All very solid to great college guards.

    edit: NWG doesn't really fit that mold either because he can't shoot for shit.
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    FreeChavezFreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
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    NWG is a pure shooter

    - 95% of the dawgman board
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Gladstone said:

    Worst guard play of the Few era for sure. They had such strong guards for so long. Santangelo. Fraum. Stepp. Dickau. Ravio. Pangos. Bell etc. All very solid to great college guards.

    edit: NWG doesn't really fit that mold either because he can't shoot for shit.

    Although NWG will fit in as being slow as shit for power 5 play but quick for WCC dominance
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    FreeChavezFreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
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    Gladstone said:

    Worst guard play of the Few era for sure. They had such strong guards for so long. Santangelo. Fraum. Stepp. Dickau. Ravio. Pangos. Bell etc. All very solid to great college guards.

    edit: NWG doesn't really fit that mold either because he can't shoot for shit.

    really he will shoot okay in the WCC. He doesn't have PG's playing against him that are elite level. He will pick his shots wisely and probably get away with it enough that Doogs will then fawn over his success and try to act as if that happens at UW.

    NOPE.

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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    NWG is a pure shooter

    - 95% of the dawgman board

    Doogs love NWG.

    Anyone with half a brain knows he is a soft little bitch.
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    FreeChavezFreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
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    NWG is a pure shooter

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    Doogs love NWG.

    Anyone with half a brain knows he is a soft little bitch.
    His parents and their apparent issues with romar were just as much an issue as his inability to get a shot off. NWG is almost the anti gaddy. Gaddy came in with super human rating and a huge ceiling and because a marginal player at UW. NWG came in on the rise with some sort of cultish following and ended up being a marginal player. It's funny to see how some will perceive each in how their careers went when they were both the same player at uw.
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    Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,897
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    I don't really follow college basketball at all anymore, but Mitch and Doog Fain were comparing Butler (apparently they got into the Big Least somehow) and Washington and maybe some other teams. Butler (at the time) were 7-8 and I believe they were considered the last four in, or maybe barely out by Lunardi. They said they had a pretty ordinary RPI and really hadn't beaten anyone of note. There's really no excuse for Washington not to make it, but we will hear the same ones trotted out.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Butler is 7-8 in the Big East and 18-9 overall with a RPI/SOS split of 61/81

    Butler's in the Big East because they have a strong program and is a basketball only school that fits what the Big East is doing.

    As for their resume this year:

    6-8 vs RPI 100
    2 Top 50 wins: Purdue (neutral) and Seton Hall (away)
    Only 1 loss outside RPI 100: Marquette (Road, 112)

    Remaining schedule @ Georgetown and home to Seton Hall and Marquette.

    There's a lot going on with Butler this year as it's been obviously a hard year for them off the court. When they are playing well, they definitely look like a tournament team. Finish the conference year at 2-1 gets them to .500 in conference and 20-10 on the season heading into the Big East Tournament. .500 conference record probably will put them somewhere between a 4 and 6 seed. That means an opening round game against some mix of Seton Hall, Providence, Creighton, Providence, and Georgetown). Win the 1st game and you're in an all upside game against Villanova/Xavier.

    If their profile gets them to 21-11, I'm thinking they are probably in. In their last 6, they've lost only to Villanova and Xavier. If they can get to 10-8 in conference and finish at 22-10, they're definitely in. If Marquette can somehow pull off a home win this weekend against Villanova (not out of the question as they've got 7 top 100 wins this year and probably a better team than their profile has them at) and get themselves ahead of the RPI 100 level, that takes the only "bad" loss out of Butler's resume. That'd be huge.

    In a year with some really questionable profiles, if you have one that doesn't really have a bad loss ... that's probably going to be a tournament team.
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