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  • H_DH_D Member Posts: 6,098
    MisterEm said:

    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    The over use of Gaskin is gonna be special in 2016.

    How did Sankey's career pan out for the Coogs?
    How did Bankhead and Bonnell's career pan out for the Doogs?
    Answering a question with a question.

    How @AuburnDoog and @Tequilla of you.
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  • DugtheDoogDugtheDoog Member Posts: 3,180
    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on

    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744

    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on

    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.

    If Gaskin went elsewhere all the other crappy RBs wouldn't have sold their couches.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on


    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.

    If Gaskin didn't work out, Dwayne Washington would still be our starting RB.

    And don't get me wrong, Dwayne isn't a bad running back, considering he averaged 6.0 ypc and had 282 yards this year. Additionally, he was the only RB who could catch a pass, ending the season with 315 receiving yards and 12.6 ypc average. He was pretty much our entire offense against BSU, USU, and Cal, and Gaskin's breakout game was really USC. FWIW, Washington also had very productive games against Arizona and Utah and I think he would have done well in 2015 if Gaskin had redshirted or something.

    Don't get me wrong, DWash would never have put up numbers like Gaskin, but I think he would've been serviceable as a starting RB.
    I'm trying not to get you wrong, but I'll probably need one more reminder.
  • FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744

    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on


    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.

    If Gaskin didn't work out, Dwayne Washington would still be our starting RB.

    And don't get me wrong, Dwayne isn't a bad running back, considering he averaged 6.0 ypc and had 282 yards this year. Additionally, he was the only RB who could catch a pass, ending the season with 315 receiving yards and 12.6 ypc average. He was pretty much our entire offense against BSU, USU, and Cal, and Gaskin's breakout game was really USC. FWIW, Washington also had very productive games against Arizona and Utah and I think he would have done well in 2015 if Gaskin had redshirted or something.

    Don't get me wrong, DWash would never have put up numbers like Gaskin, but I think he would've been serviceable as a starting RB.
    Stop plagiarism my shit.
  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,711 Swaye's Wigwam

    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on


    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.

    If Gaskin didn't work out, Dwayne Washington would still be our starting RB.

    And don't get me wrong, Dwayne isn't a bad running back, considering he averaged 6.0 ypc and had 282 yards this year. Additionally, he was the only RB who could catch a pass, ending the season with 315 receiving yards and 12.6 ypc average. He was pretty much our entire offense against BSU, USU, and Cal, and Gaskin's breakout game was really USC. FWIW, Washington also had very productive games against Arizona and Utah and I think he would have done well in 2015 if Gaskin had redshirted or something.

    Don't get me wrong, DWash would never have put up numbers like Gaskin, but I think he would've been serviceable as a starting RB.
    I'm trying not to get you wrong, but I'll probably need one more reminder.
    Don't get me wrong, but I wrote a Tequilla long post and then scrapped most of it, and didn't realize it until you mentioned it.
  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    No way. Dawgman said Coleman is the backup to Gaskin.
  • DugtheDoogDugtheDoog Member Posts: 3,180
    edited February 2016

    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on


    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.

    If Gaskin didn't work out, Dwayne Washington would still be our starting RB.

    And don't get me wrong, Dwayne isn't a bad running back, considering he averaged 6.0 ypc and had 282 yards this year. Additionally, he was the only RB who could catch a pass, ending the season with 315 receiving yards and 12.6 ypc average. He was pretty much our entire offense against BSU, USU, and Cal, and Gaskin's breakout game was really USC. FWIW, Washington also had very productive games against Arizona and Utah and I think he would have done well in 2015 if Gaskin had redshirted or something.

    Don't get me wrong, DWash would never have put up numbers like Gaskin, but I think he would've been serviceable as a starting RB.
    In fairness, I didn't really do any fact checking re: Coleman. Glad that isn't true for reasons stated above. And I didn't take into account that if #MyGaskin had even just split carries, DWarsh would still be on the team. Though Coleman coming back makes me feel much more optimistic.

    But I guess it just depends on what you consider 'serviceable' and 'as a starting RB'. Because as a pass catcher out of the backfield I would say he's a hell of a weapon. But 'as a starting RB', and as a change of pace/pass catching option out of the backfield I would have different criteria for. When the word serviceable is used, I immediately think of a synonym, 'adequate'. And by adequate, I tend to think 'good enough', which to me would mean an average to slightly below average starting Pac12 RB. So somewhere between 6-8, I guess. Which I don't think he'd meet that criteria, but if by serviceable you mean not the worst in the conference, I'll give you that.

    And the problem I had and many others had with DWarsh is that if you give him a whole season, he might finish in the top half in YPG/total yards. So if you only looked at the stat sheets, you'd see him probably rush for about a G and average mid-4s in YPC. Which on paper sounds pretty decent. But when you look at the flow of the game when he (or a player like him) is in the game, it's maddening and not nearly as productive to an offense as a whole than someone with identical stats that are spread around evenly. If your typical game on the ground looks like: 1, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3, 0, 2, -1, 5, 2, 1, 54, -2, 0, 1,3, 26, 2, 0, -3, 2, 2 for 106 yards and 4.6 ypc, the 23 for 106 looks pretty good. And while the 54 yard run led to a touchdown and the 26 yarder to a field goal, your 1st and 2nd down runs of 1 and 3 leaving 3rd and long all day doesn't allow your offense to get in rhythm and impedes the ultimate goal: points. Whereas, let's say #MyGaskin redshirted, Jomon Dotson somehow got starter carries and also averaged 4.6 yards on 23 carries. But he did it by going 1,4,3,3,10,2,5,2,6,4,6,4,4,11,0,2,6,5,5,6,5,5,7 for 106. So instead of a couple big plays sandwiched between 20carries running into his own blockers, you have a guy who didn't single-handedly score you 10 points but put the offense in position to score 28 points by keeping the offense in rhythm, moving the chains and staying out of 3rd and longs. And if you spread this out over a season, a guy like DWarsh will single-handedly lose you a couple of games and probably win you a couple. So 1 week he's 23 for 106, the next he's 23 for 188 and the next he's 23 for 35. We don't need a back to single-handedly win us a game; though amazing performances are nice. But if you're forced with a guy who'll decide the outcome of 4 games, 2 on both sides of the ledger, I'll pass. For the same reason I'd pass on Pedro Alvarez for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Led his team in HRs in 2015. Finished 10th in the league in homers. Yet was tied for 25th on his own team with a WAR of 0.1.

    So somewhere within my psychobabble there's a TL;DR of I wouldn't consider DWarsh adequate, even if his stats might lead you to believe otherwise.
  • EwaDawgEwaDawg Member Posts: 4,149

    I'll just say this. Petermen is a lucky bastard that #MyGaskin turned out so damn well. Sure, you can say he had an eye for talent but I'm pretty sure he committed to Sark. And just because you're a 4star doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you're good, you can deal with injuries (a la coopdog). If it wasn't for #MyGaskin, and I admit it's unfair to play these games in retrospect but it is the fucking offseason, we would be royally fucked at RB. Our depth chart at RB would look like this:
    1. Jomon Dotson
    2. white walk-on
    3. white walk-on
    4. white walk-on


    I just pray to God #MyGaskin remains healthy and that Pleasant is actually good. Because McClatcher/McGrew aren't going to win you games running between the tackles...even though they're listed at RB, they're more effective when they can touch the ball 5-7 times a game IN SPACE while making the opponent have to account for them every time they're on the field. Sure, Coleman wasn't very good. And Coop wasn't great either. But I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if Gaskin is escorted back to the training room in the 2nd quarter and out walks Coleman for the rest of the game as opposed to Dotson.

    If Gaskin didn't work out, Dwayne Washington would still be our starting RB.

    And don't get me wrong, Dwayne isn't a bad running back, considering he averaged 6.0 ypc and had 282 yards this year. Additionally, he was the only RB who could catch a pass, ending the season with 315 receiving yards and 12.6 ypc average. He was pretty much our entire offense against BSU, USU, and Cal, and Gaskin's breakout game was really USC. FWIW, Washington also had very productive games against Arizona and Utah and I think he would have done well in 2015 if Gaskin had redshirted or something.

    Don't get me wrong, DWash would never have put up numbers like Gaskin, but I think he would've been serviceable as a starting RB.
    In fairness, I didn't really do any fact checking re: Coleman. Glad that isn't true for reasons stated above. And I didn't take into account that if #MyGaskin had even just split carries, DWarsh would still be on the team. Though Coleman coming back makes me feel much more optimistic.

    But I guess it just depends on what you consider 'serviceable' and 'as a starting RB'. Because as a pass catcher out of the backfield I would say he's a hell of a weapon. But 'as a starting RB', and as a change of pace/pass catching option out of the backfield I would have different criteria for. When the word serviceable is used, I immediately think of a synonym, 'adequate'. And by adequate, I tend to think 'good enough', which to me would mean an average to slightly below average starting Pac12 RB. So somewhere between 6-8, I guess. Which I don't think he'd meet that criteria, but if by serviceable you mean not the worst in the conference, I'll give you that.

    And the problem I had and many others had with DWarsh is that if you give him a whole season, he might finish in the top half in YPG/total yards. So if you only looked at the stat sheets, you'd see him probably rush for about a G and average mid-4s in YPC. Which on paper sounds pretty decent. But when you look at the flow of the game when he (or a player like him) is in the game, it's maddening and not nearly as productive to an offense as a whole than someone with identical stats that are spread around evenly. If your typical game on the ground looks like: 1, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3, 0, 2, -1, 5, 2, 1, 54, -2, 0, 1,3, 26, 2, 0, -3, 2, 2 for 106 yards and 4.6 ypc, the 23 for 106 looks pretty good. And while the 54 yard run led to a touchdown and the 26 yarder to a field goal, your 1st and 2nd down runs of 1 and 3 leaving 3rd and long all day doesn't allow your offense to get in rhythm and impedes the ultimate goal: points. Whereas, let's say #MyGaskin redshirted, Jomon Dotson somehow got starter carries and also averaged 4.6 yards on 23 carries. But he did it by going 1,4,3,3,10,2,5,2,6,4,6,4,4,11,0,2,6,5,5,6,5,5,7 for 106. So instead of a couple big plays sandwiched between 20carries running into his own blockers, you have a guy who didn't single-handedly score you 10 points but put the offense in position to score 28 points by keeping the offense in rhythm, moving the chains and staying out of 3rd and longs. And if you spread this out over a season, a guy like DWarsh will single-handedly lose you a couple of games and probably win you a couple. So 1 week he's 23 for 106, the next he's 23 for 188 and the next he's 23 for 35. We don't need a back to single-handedly win us a game; though amazing performances are nice. But if you're forced with a guy who'll decide the outcome of 4 games, 2 on both sides of the ledger, I'll pass. For the same reason I'd pass on Pedro Alvarez for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Led his team in HRs in 2015. Finished 10th in the league in homers. Yet was tied for 25th on his own team with a WAR of 0.1.

    So somewhere within my psychobabble there's a TL;DR of I wouldn't consider DWarsh adequate, even if his stats might lead you to believe otherwise.
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