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Appeals court decision casts doubt on Maryland’s assault weapons ban
A federal appeals court on Thursday cast doubt on the legality of Maryland’s 2013 ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines passed after the mass shootings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
The 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit sends the gun-control law back to a lower court for review because it “implicates the core protection of the Second Amendment.”
In its majority opinion, written by Chief Judge William B. Traxler Jr., the court found that the Maryland law “significantly burdens the exercise of the right to arm oneself at home.”
The law bans more than 45 types of assault weapons and clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Proponents of the law said such weapons are disproportionately used in mass acts of violence and rarely for self-defense. A federal law banning assault weapons expired in 2004.
A group of gun store owners and others challenged the constitutionality of the law, saying that it violated their Second Amendment right to bear arms.
Opponents of the ban, including the Maryland State Rifle and Pistol Association and the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association, have said that the prohibited firearms are not military weapons. Many owners have bought the guns for lawful purposes such as self-defense, target practice and hunting.
Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D) helped pass the law as a state senator, said the majority opinion got it wrong.Never-you-mind that "assault weapon" is an entirely regulatory crafted term that has no real technical meaning, and that military-style does not actually mean fully automatic.
“I think it’s just common sense that the Second Amendment does not give people a right to own military-style assault weapons,” he said Thursday.
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Having lived in Maryland, against my choice, for several years, I can say with authority that the entire state should fall into the ocean. Fuck that place.
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All 6 packs of beer in Maryland have 10oz cans.Swaye said:Having lived in Maryland, against my choice, for several years, I can say with authority that the entire state should fall into the ocean. Fuck that place.
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Where's all our TSA freedom fighters now?
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I feel similarly about Illinois after 3 unhappy years there.Swaye said:Having lived in Maryland, against my choice, for several years, I can say with authority that the entire state should fall into the ocean. Fuck that place.
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I must have missed the Ar-15 clause of the 2nd amendment.RaceBannon said:Where's all our TSA freedom fighters now?
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That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad? -
It was about the NSA. But still.RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad? -
Yeah but you knowdoogsinparadise said:
It was about the NSA. But still.RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad? -
#blackgunsmatter
the term "assault weapon" has about as much definitive meaning as "guns that look scary" -
Lived there for awhile too. That state is as fucked as any place on this planet. Easily the most racist place I have ever been. Fucked up accents too. Will never go back.Swaye said:Having lived in Maryland, against my choice, for several years, I can say with authority that the entire state should fall into the ocean. Fuck that place.
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different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy. -
I knew I liked you.PurpleThrobber said:
Lived there for awhile too. That state is as fucked as any place on this planet. Easily the most racist place I have ever been. Fucked up accents too. Will never go back.Swaye said:Having lived in Maryland, against my choice, for several years, I can say with authority that the entire state should fall into the ocean. Fuck that place.
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Re; TSA
What if I like the anal probe? -
Baltimore. Enough said on that.
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What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy. -
Nothing. Just going off of what was in the last supreme court decision on the issueRaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
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GrundleStiltzkin said:
Appeals court decision casts doubt on Maryland’s assault weapons ban
A federal appeals court on Thursday cast doubt on the legality of Maryland’s 2013 ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines passed after the mass shootings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
The 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit sends the gun-control law back to a lower court for review because it “implicates the core protection of the Second Amendment.”
In its majority opinion, written by Chief Judge William B. Traxler Jr., the court found that the Maryland law “significantly burdens the exercise of the right to arm oneself at home.”
The law bans more than 45 types of assault weapons and clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Proponents of the law said such weapons are disproportionately used in mass acts of violence and rarely for self-defense. A federal law banning assault weapons expired in 2004.
A group of gun store owners and others challenged the constitutionality of the law, saying that it violated their Second Amendment right to bear arms.
Opponents of the ban, including the Maryland State Rifle and Pistol Association and the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association, have said that the prohibited firearms are not military weapons. Many owners have bought the guns for lawful purposes such as self-defense, target practice and hunting.Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D) helped pass the law as a state senator, said the majority opinion got it wrong.
Never-you-mind that "assault weapon" is an entirely regulatory crafted term that has no real technical meaning, and that military-style does not actually mean fully automatic.
“I think it’s just common sense that the Second Amendment does not give people a right to own military-style assault weapons,” he said Thursday.
Although, this is a military style assault weapon (repeating rifle with a 30 round magazine) that the founders would have been aware of (Okay, it is not semi-automatic but is basically like a bolt-action):
The Girardoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. The advantages of a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and low muzzle report granted it initial acceptance, but it was eventually removed from service for several reasons. While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1,500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs. Later, a wagon-mounted pump was provided. The reservoirs, made from hammered sheet iron held together with rivets and sealed by brazing, proved very difficult to manufacture using the techniques of the period and were always in short supply.
In addition, the weapon was very delicate and a small break in the reservoir could make it inoperable. Finally, it was very different from any other weapon of the time and any soldier using it needed to be highly trained.
The Lewis and Clark Expedition used the rifle in the demonstrations that they performed for nearly every Native American tribe they encountered on the expedition.[1][2]
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People should be able to own tanks and attack helicopters.
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Never-you-mind that "assault weapon" is an entirely regulatory crafted term that has no real technical meaning, and that military-style does not actually mean fully automatic.Hippopeteamus said:GrundleStiltzkin said:Appeals court decision casts doubt on Maryland’s assault weapons ban
A federal appeals court on Thursday cast doubt on the legality of Maryland’s 2013 ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines passed after the mass shootings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
The 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit sends the gun-control law back to a lower court for review because it “implicates the core protection of the Second Amendment.”
In its majority opinion, written by Chief Judge William B. Traxler Jr., the court found that the Maryland law “significantly burdens the exercise of the right to arm oneself at home.”
The law bans more than 45 types of assault weapons and clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Proponents of the law said such weapons are disproportionately used in mass acts of violence and rarely for self-defense. A federal law banning assault weapons expired in 2004.
A group of gun store owners and others challenged the constitutionality of the law, saying that it violated their Second Amendment right to bear arms.
Opponents of the ban, including the Maryland State Rifle and Pistol Association and the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association, have said that the prohibited firearms are not military weapons. Many owners have bought the guns for lawful purposes such as self-defense, target practice and hunting.Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D) helped pass the law as a state senator, said the majority opinion got it wrong.
“I think it’s just common sense that the Second Amendment does not give people a right to own military-style assault weapons,” he said Thursday.
Although, this is a military style assault weapon (repeating rifle with a 30 round magazine) that the founders would have been aware of (Okay, it is not semi-automatic but is basically like a bolt-action):
The Girardoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. The advantages of a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and low muzzle report granted it initial acceptance, but it was eventually removed from service for several reasons. While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1,500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs. Later, a wagon-mounted pump was provided. The reservoirs, made from hammered sheet iron held together with rivets and sealed by brazing, proved very difficult to manufacture using the techniques of the period and were always in short supply.
In addition, the weapon was very delicate and a small break in the reservoir could make it inoperable. Finally, it was very different from any other weapon of the time and any soldier using it needed to be highly trained.
The Lewis and Clark Expedition used the rifle in the demonstrations that they performed for nearly every Native American tribe they encountered on the expedition.[1][2]
I have some nice buffalo hide paintings of this event handed down to me from my Dad's second Dad. -
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc. -
Says who? God?2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc.
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Actually, you can own a fully automatic weapon and a tank. You can own a howitzer. You just have to register it with the federal government and pay a tax stamp. What I find especially interesting is that a gatling gun is legally just a semi-automatic rifle in the United States.2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc. -
@HuskyJW, your next build.Hippopeteamus said:
Actually, you can own a fully automatic weapon and a tank. You can own a howitzer. You just have to register it with the federal government and pay a tax stamp. What I find especially interesting is that a gatling gun is legally just a semi-automatic rifle in the United States.2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc. -
I AM an attack helicopter!2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc. -
All he needs to make sure is that it is hand cranked. If you put an electric motor on it becomes a machine gun.GrundleStiltzkin said:
@HuskyJW, your next build.Hippopeteamus said:
Actually, you can own a fully automatic weapon and a tank. You can own a howitzer. You just have to register it with the federal government and pay a tax stamp. What I find especially interesting is that a gatling gun is legally just a semi-automatic rifle in the United States.2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxN0WfFKLRU
and
(skip to 6:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fhBm1ouSU -
As passed by the Congress and preserved in the National Archives, with the rest of the original hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights prepared by scribe William Lambert:[29]2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[30]
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
What does SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED mean to you Hondo?
It is more clear than a right to privacy for abortions that isn't in the constitution or anything about gay marriage that isn't in the constitution.
If you limit you infringe. -
Remember, hondo skews to the authoritarian.RaceBannon said:
As passed by the Congress and preserved in the National Archives, with the rest of the original hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights prepared by scribe William Lambert:[29]2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[30]
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
What does SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED mean to you Hondo?
It is more clear than a right to privacy for abortions that isn't in the constitution or anything about gay marriage that isn't in the constitution.
If you limit you infringe. -
Hippopeteamus said:
All he needs to make sure is that it is hand cranked. If you put an electric motor on it becomes a machine gun.GrundleStiltzkin said:
@HuskyJW, your next build.Hippopeteamus said:
Actually, you can own a fully automatic weapon and a tank. You can own a howitzer. You just have to register it with the federal government and pay a tax stamp. What I find especially interesting is that a gatling gun is legally just a semi-automatic rifle in the United States.2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc.
Also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxN0WfFKLRU
and
(skip to 6:30)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fhBm1ouSU
Shit @Hippopeteamus you've given me another YT channel to subscribe. -
Great liberal tolerance and open-mindedness, as always.
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Another FO to you. Damned near all these awesome gun vids get this damn homo car commercial in front of them.GrundleStiltzkin said:Hippopeteamus said:
All he needs to make sure is that it is hand cranked. If you put an electric motor on it becomes a machine gun.GrundleStiltzkin said:
@HuskyJW, your next build.Hippopeteamus said:
Actually, you can own a fully automatic weapon and a tank. You can own a howitzer. You just have to register it with the federal government and pay a tax stamp. What I find especially interesting is that a gatling gun is legally just a semi-automatic rifle in the United States.2001400ex said:
What language says unlimited? It says right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say, right to bear any arm you choose.RaceBannon said:
What language limits the right?dhdawg said:
different. The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that right is not unlimited (I actually disagree with this ban, I'm more against the massive magazine clips that people use in these mass shootings).RaceBannon said:That's what made the TSA thread so amusing. You are more than happy to give up other people's freedoms. Just don't delay you at the airport
Does the 2nd amendment say all arms except scary ones that get panties in a wad?
This is not stripping you of your right to bear arms like the TSA and NSA are stripping you of your privacy.
You can't possess a fully automatic weapon, a tank, an attack helicopter, a fighter jet,, etc.
Also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxN0WfFKLRU
and
(skip to 6:30)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7fhBm1ouSU
Shit @Hippopeteamus you've given me another YT channel to subscribe.
http://youtu.be/Y9XqYAzbmTI
Curse my Seattle area IP.
