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What the numbers on guns really say

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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,511 Founders Club

    dhdawg said:


    dhdawg said:

    Regardless of your stance on the issue, pretty poor taste to wantonly dismiss thousands of gun deaths to fit an agenda.

    it is pretty disgusting. Gang violence is a serious issue that no one actually cares about. And yes that includes Republicans and democrats, all of whom skate over the issue because they are scared to talk about race
    I would say gang violence isn't as much race as it's socio economic. Gangs in bigger cities are populated by a poor economic segment, which the majority are minorities. Poor white people are in gangs as well. Basically, middle class black, hispanic, european, and asian kids aren't in gangs, just like middle class whites generally aren't either.
    It is a poverty issue. And far more blacks live in poverty than whites, but that doesn't change the fact that they murder at a far greater rate
    The greatest generation grew up in poverty and the only people they showere Germans and Japanese, not each other.

    So fuck that argument about poverty.

    The murder rate peaked in the early 90s because of the crack epidemic, which is inextricable from poverty. The murder rate last year was lower than in 1968 at about 14,250. Considering that America is much more diverse now then in the late 60s can you really try to claim that the murder rate is tied in any way to non-whites being more likely to kill?
    Yes.

    As noted above The Color of Crime stated a seven times higher homicide rate for Blacks. The CDC (Center for Disease Control) has stated a 8.5 times higher Black homicide rate than White homicide rate for the year 2007. For males it was 13 times higher, for 20 to 24-year-old males it was 17 times higher, and for 15 to 19-year-old males it was over 20 times higher.[7]
    According to FBI statistics, in 2013 the number of Black-on-White homicides (409) was more than double the number of "White"-on-Black homicides (189) despite Blacks only being 13% of the population.[7]
    The Council of Conservative Citizens in 2014 documented about 400 cases of Black-on-White murders. Unlike the above mentioned FBI statistics for 2013, very few cases of White-on-Black murders could be found (4 cases). One explanation was that many "White"-on-Black murders were actually done by Hispanics who are classified as Whites in the FBI statistics. Blacks from Spanish speaking countries were also argued to be incorrectly classified as "White" offenders in the official crime data. The official "White" offenders also included North Africans, Arabs, Turks, Persians, and people from central Asian countries. Furthermore, it was also argued that the number of Black-on-White murders was likely significantly higher if taking into account murders with unknown perpetrators which may often disproportionately involve random stranger killings by Blacks. Also, anti-White bias was argued to cause many Blacks perpetrators to be charged with lesser crimes than similar White perpetrators.[8][9]


    en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#Homicide
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Doesn't your table prove Obama was lying again?
  • HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537

    Doesn't your table prove Obama was lying again?

    yes.........? are you confused about my point?
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,731 Standard Supporter

    dhdawg said:


    dhdawg said:

    Regardless of your stance on the issue, pretty poor taste to wantonly dismiss thousands of gun deaths to fit an agenda.

    it is pretty disgusting. Gang violence is a serious issue that no one actually cares about. And yes that includes Republicans and democrats, all of whom skate over the issue because they are scared to talk about race
    I would say gang violence isn't as much race as it's socio economic. Gangs in bigger cities are populated by a poor economic segment, which the majority are minorities. Poor white people are in gangs as well. Basically, middle class black, hispanic, european, and asian kids aren't in gangs, just like middle class whites generally aren't either.
    It is a poverty issue. And far more blacks live in poverty than whites, but that doesn't change the fact that they murder at a far greater rate
    The greatest generation grew up in poverty and the only people they showere Germans and Japanese, not each other.

    So fuck that argument about poverty.

    The murder rate peaked in the early 90s because of the crack epidemic, which is inextricable from poverty. The murder rate last year was lower than in 1968 at about 14,250. Considering that America is much more diverse now then in the late 60s can you really try to claim that the murder rate is tied in any way to non-whites being more likely to kill?
    I said no racist crap.

    I said poverty is no excuse for shooting people. You extrapolated that poverty Is solely a black problem ergo poverty makes blacks killers.

    Go back and read exactly what I wrote again.

  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Houhusky said:

    Doesn't your table prove Obama was lying again?

    yes.........? are you confused about my point?
    Since the latest Islamic Jihad attack in a gun free zone on US soil, Obama has been stating thus doesn't happen anywhere else yet, your chart clearly shows Finland, Isreal and Switzerland all have more than double the fatal rampage incidents per capita
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