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Why don't congressional Republicans authorize action against ISIS?
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https://www.yahoo.com/politics/why-congress-wont-vote-on-the-war-against-the-193503398.html
One senior Senate Democratic aide suggested that members are very aware of their history on AUMF votes, particularly those who continue to feel stung by being on the record as supporting the Iraq War before the nation as a whole came to consider that intervention a mistake. Given that, not everyone is eager to vote on an AUMF again.
“These votes are difficult and complex, and folks have a natural aversion to them. This one is particularly tricky because it’s next to impossible to find the sweet spot on the sliding scale between people who want a narrow, tailored specific mission and people who want open-ended, robust missions,” said the aide.
“No one has been able to figure out where there are 60 votes in the Senate. Nobody — not the administration, not Democrats, not Republicans, nobody — has put forward language that has the votes to pass,” the aide continued, noting that Republicans want presidents to have near unlimited power while Democrats oppose “mission creep and indefinite war.” Nothing about that partisan difference in outlook has changed in the days since the Paris attacks.
One senior Senate Democratic aide suggested that members are very aware of their history on AUMF votes, particularly those who continue to feel stung by being on the record as supporting the Iraq War before the nation as a whole came to consider that intervention a mistake. Given that, not everyone is eager to vote on an AUMF again.
“These votes are difficult and complex, and folks have a natural aversion to them. This one is particularly tricky because it’s next to impossible to find the sweet spot on the sliding scale between people who want a narrow, tailored specific mission and people who want open-ended, robust missions,” said the aide.
“No one has been able to figure out where there are 60 votes in the Senate. Nobody — not the administration, not Democrats, not Republicans, nobody — has put forward language that has the votes to pass,” the aide continued, noting that Republicans want presidents to have near unlimited power while Democrats oppose “mission creep and indefinite war.” Nothing about that partisan difference in outlook has changed in the days since the Paris attacks.
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Blame and deflect.
Obama sent Congress a draft AUMF early this year, and the White House has repeatedly signaled that it is open to “reasonable” alterations, including language that would make the new legislation the only source of presidential authority for taking on IS. It landed with a thud, and the president hasn’t shown much inclination to try to nudge it back to life.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/11/letter-president-authorization-use-united-states-armed-forces-connection
I would vote against force with Obama making the rules of engagement. He's got more troops killed than W with his fucked up rules.
Besides that.... Ok, you don't like Obama's plan. Republicans and internet tough guys like you scream about Obama not going to war. What about this. Where's the Republican plan??? Why don't they agree and put forth a bill to Obama?
I don't recall FDR waiting around for a bill to be proposed. He went to Congress and asked for a declaration. Same way W laid out his case and got Congress to approve.
It's called leadership.
And yes, far more American troops in Afghanistan have been killed under Obama's watch than under W. Take the dick out of your mouth and get educated.
Are we done here?
So let me get this straight. You call Obama a pussy for doing nothing and not going to war against ISIS. I show you the bill he sent to Congress asking for authorization and an article with quotes by Republicans on why they won't.
Now..... You just moved the goal posts and said you don't want action under Obama. But.... For arguments sake, here's exactly what Obama has done as president:
Over the past 16 months, Kaine said, the United States has carried nearly 6,300 airstrikes, at a cost of $5 billion, or $11 million per day, to push Islamic State out of sections of Iraq and Syria.
You appear very uneducated right now.
Big belly laughs in the masjid.
Obama's rules of engagement have got far more American troops killed in Afghanistan. That's a fact.
That's why he is a pussy and why I don't want anymore troops sent under his command.
He's done such a great job against ISIS that they have gained two countries and are attacking in Europe. France did more damage this week.
and we all know Obama won't do anything without congress behind him
How big of a cock sucker do you have to be to write this shit hondo?
Rhetorical question
He's got more troops killed than W with his fucked up rules.
That being said. It's very clear you have no clue what happened in Afghanistan. You see, Bush didn't do much there and chased this shiny object in Iraq. When Obama took over, he said our real problem is Afghanistan, and took care of business there along with taking out bin ladin, something Bush said he wouldn't go into Pakistan to do.
Either way, you are very uneducated on the matter and like to believe the conservative blog post of the week.
A Grim Decision on Afghanistan (if you are a Liberal who has lost the NYT editorial bored...)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/a-grim-decision-on-afghanistan.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0
— comes amid Taliban advances and other alarming changes in the region. While Mr. Obama’s shift is disturbing and may not put Afghanistan on a path toward stability, he has no good options.
How Obama Lost Afghanistan
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/05/how-obama-lost-afghanistan.html
Afghanistan today is much more violent than when Obama came into office. Fewer Americans may be dying. But many more Afghan civilians are being killed, according to U.N. statistics. More guns, more warlords, more militias—that’s Obama’s probable legacy. It’s what happens when you can’t deal with reality and commit one way or the other in wartime—you lose.
ISIS has a strong foothold in Afghanistan.
pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/