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Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?

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  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886
    edited November 2015
    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need want.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    The new Socialism:

    I got mine, the rest of you share... now fuck off.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,399 Founders Club

    Schumpeter predicted that the success of capitalism would lead to socialism. That has more to do with your question then technology which makes societies wealthier not poorer. Technology is deflationary but it also creates its own replacement jobs and industries in its own right.

    Yes some jobs will be created by new industries we haven't even thought of yet (why I mentioned needing education/skills in computer programming and STEM), but not enough to slow the flow of jobs leaving the system.
    It might happen.

    But people probably thought that during the Industrial Revolution also
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,399 Founders Club
    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    The sad part is, many of the church people who vote mostly on retarded social shit like Jesus, guns, and abortion are in favor of something resembling the Scandinavian mixed market system, or whatever you want to call it. The R's have manipulated them into voting against their economic interests.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    The sad part is, many of the church people who vote mostly on retarded social shit like Jesus, guns, and abortion are in favor of something resembling the Scandinavian mixed market system, or whatever you want to call it. The R's have manipulated them into voting against their economic interests.
    Good boy. You seem to have people grouped into the stereotypes you've been taught.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    "free market socialism" is this what they're calling fascism these days?
  • 1. I don't think you know what socialism is
    2. No
  • WeAreAFatLesboSchoolWeAreAFatLesboSchool Guest Posts: 736
    edited November 2015
    2001400ex said:

    I think it's more that as countries become more wealthy, they try to reduce poverty. It's a natural progression of society. Similar to women's rights, as society becomes more educated, women gain more prominence.

    too bad governments trying to reduce poverty have gone Owen 12
  • I'm down with socialism as long as all the gals look like Swedish chicks.

    image

    Sweden isn't socialist.
  • WeAreAFatLesboSchoolWeAreAFatLesboSchool Guest Posts: 736
    edited November 2015
    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    I think it's more that as countries become more wealthy, they try to reduce poverty. It's a natural progression of society. Similar to women's rights, as society becomes more educated, women gain more prominence.

    Women's rights have done so much for this cuntry. A real sign of an educated, classy society where we can't say anything that offends anyone or go outside without bubble wrap.
    You say that as if liberals have a monopoly on screaming about offending people. What do you think about the Starbucks cup?
    Complaining about the Starbucks cup is dumb. But that is what they actually believe in and in the end it hurts them politically. The left convincing people there is a "war on women" is meant solely to get votes. That's the difference
    did anyone but a handful of people responding to a persons video actually complain about the cup? Seems like there is 1000000000.81% more people complaining about the people complaining than the people who actually complained.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,511 Founders Club
    It's nice to have Damone back.
  • OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    Free market socialism? What the fuck is that?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,800
    Fuck free market socialism. Communist capitalism is the way to go.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,727 Standard Supporter

    I'm down with socialism as long as all the gals look like Swedish chicks.

    image

    Sweden isn't socialist.
    I still like Swedish chicks. And their boobs. I like their boobs a lot.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited November 2015

    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    "free market socialism" is this what they're calling fascism these days?
    No. Fascism is when the government gives large corporations monopolies in their sectors. That would be the opposite of free market.

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