Husky Fan Podcast: Post Utah, Pre STD U
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the argument was we don't know if Gaskin is capable of carrying it 25+ times a game, the whole 5-4 vs 4-5 thing was just a supplemental point
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Nice cast. Will talk about it in the am.
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Road are you sure Gaskin is 195? I think you guys make solid points but he's listed at 192 and I'm not sure he's there.
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Nice episode, really enjoyed it.
@HeretoBeatmyChest You say you disagree with me about Petersen costing us the game. If Gaskin gets DWash's carries, it's pretty safe to say he doesn't fumble once and definitely doesn't fumble twice. There's the difference in the ballgame right there.
I also agree with James and Roadie that Cooper deserves 2-5 carries a game. He's a serviceable back. -
Gaskin: 20 rushes for 93 yards, 19 long 4.65 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400757071
Browning: 23 for 39 257 yards, 59 long 6.59 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886812
4.65 > 6.59???
Still wanting more cow bell?
This reffing crap pro Stanford and Utah the past few weeks = I'm not watching anymore Pac games this year. If UW goes 8-0 or 7-1 next year, then maybe the refs will start giving UW the fixed calls. It's pretty much pointless to watch Pac 12 games anymore IMO -> it's all become about the Final 4 Playoff $$$ now. I'm not going to waste 3.5 hours of my life over these fixed games. I might start betting on Furd and Utah though.
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Great podcast. One of your best. Thanks all 3 of you for the work.
Of note, Big Jim's (or JC's) reference to Rudy gets 100 up votes. And @RoadDawg55 comment on the abundance of discussion of white receivers was hilarious, but no mention of Paul Skansi?
Any chance we could get a menu of @HeretoBeatmyChest's dinner arrangement so we could better match the flavors to the sounds? -
Turnoverspriapism said:Gaskin: 20 rushes for 93 yards, 19 long 4.65 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400757071
Browning: 23 for 39 257 yards, 59 long 6.59 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886812
4.65 > 6.59???
Still wanting more cow bell?
This reffing crap pro Stanford and Utah the past few weeks = I'm not watching anymore Pac games this year. If UW goes 8-0 or 7-1 next year, then maybe the refs will start giving UW the fixed calls. It's pretty much pointless to watch Pac 12 games anymore IMO -> it's all become about the Final 4 Playoff $$$ now. I'm not going to waste 3.5 hours of my life over these fixed games. I might start betting on Furd and Utah though.
Browning 2
Gaskin 0
Are we done here? -
Did I get a shout out or insulted?
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Washington 8 touches, 2 fumblesDerekJohnson said:
Turnoverspriapism said:Gaskin: 20 rushes for 93 yards, 19 long 4.65 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400757071
Browning: 23 for 39 257 yards, 59 long 6.59 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886812
4.65 > 6.59???
Still wanting more cow bell?
This reffing crap pro Stanford and Utah the past few weeks = I'm not watching anymore Pac games this year. If UW goes 8-0 or 7-1 next year, then maybe the refs will start giving UW the fixed calls. It's pretty much pointless to watch Pac 12 games anymore IMO -> it's all become about the Final 4 Playoff $$$ now. I'm not going to waste 3.5 hours of my life over these fixed games. I might start betting on Furd and Utah though.
Browning 2
Gaskin 0
Are we done here?
Gaskin 20 touches, 0 fumbles
Browning 77 touches, 2 turnovers (with one coming from a replacement LT who whiffed on his block)
What is your point? -
RaceBannon said:
Did I get a shout out or insulted?
No shout outs or insults. You are officially irrelevant. -
Why did you reply then?HuskyInAZ said:RaceBannon said:Did I get a shout out or insulted?
No shout outs or insults. You are officially irrelevant. -
That is ridiculously shortsighted. Utah averaged much more per attempt throwing, but they still ran much more. Same for Ohio State against Minnesota. Same for Alabama against LSU.priapism said:Gaskin: 20 rushes for 93 yards, 19 long 4.65 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400757071
Browning: 23 for 39 257 yards, 59 long 6.59 yards per attempt
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886812
4.65 > 6.59???
Still wanting more cow bell?
This reffing crap pro Stanford and Utah the past few weeks = I'm not watching anymore Pac games this year. If UW goes 8-0 or 7-1 next year, then maybe the refs will start giving UW the fixed calls. It's pretty much pointless to watch Pac 12 games anymore IMO -> it's all become about the Final 4 Playoff $$$ now. I'm not going to waste 3.5 hours of my life over these fixed games. I might start betting on Furd and Utah though. -
Some of you are so fucking stupid it hurts. All teams average more throwing the ball. That is truly the weakest argument of all time. Stanford might as well not give McCaffrey the ball considering Hogan averages more per attempt throwing. Same for Oregon and Freeman.
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Roadie is right.... If you are averaging less YPA passing than running you should die as an offense.
A 4.65 YPA running is actually about equal if not better than 6.59 YPA passing.
If you are at 7 YPA passing you are doing well. If you are at 10 or more you are doing great in the passing game.
4.65 per rush is above average.
Anyways. The offense actually played well when you take out the stupid bullshit playcalls with wild swede and a few of their reverses. We got more chunk plays against Utah than anyone has all year. Our mistakes cost us and the random play generator really hurt at crucial times as well.
When we ran our basic shit on offense we are actually successful on Saturday. -
This.RoadDawg55 said:Some of you are so fucking stupid it hurts. All teams average more throwing the ball. That is truly the weakest argument of all time. Stanford might as well not give McCaffrey the ball considering Hogan averages more per attempt throwing. Same for Oregon and Freeman.
What's better?
QB: 3 comp - 6 att - 42 yards
RB: 6 car - 42 yards
Running the football wears down an opponent and controls the tempo of the game.
But if you morons prefer the pass, I hear Leach has a great system east of you. They've never won anything, and have blown more games late than games they've won in his tenure there but it sure is FUN TO WATCH!!
Even though teams average more yards passing than running, running is more efficient and has far less risk, unless you give the ball to Washington. The numbers also don't show yards losses from sacks as well.
A quarterback throwing the ball 39 times and completing 23 is completing 59%, which is considered average, but also consider that 16 of the other passes went for no gain. Imagine if you had 16 rushes out of 39 stopped for no gain. Fans would go crazy. That's why it's not a fair comparison. -
This is dumb. 6 plays for 42 yards is 6 plays for 42 yards. "Wearing them down," tempo, TOP, etc are irrelevant as long as you move the ball.greenblood said:
This.RoadDawg55 said:Some of you are so fucking stupid it hurts. All teams average more throwing the ball. That is truly the weakest argument of all time. Stanford might as well not give McCaffrey the ball considering Hogan averages more per attempt throwing. Same for Oregon and Freeman.
What's better?
QB: 3 comp - 6 att - 42 yards
RB: 6 car - 42 yards
Running the football wears down an opponent and controls the tempo of the game.
But if you morons prefer the pass, I hear Leach has a great system east of you. They've never won anything, and have blown more games late than games they've won in his tenure there but it sure is FUN TO WATCH!!
Even though teams average more yards passing than running, running is more efficient and has far less risk, unless you give the ball to Washington. The numbers also don't show yards losses from sacks as well.
A quarterback throwing the ball 39 times and completing 23 is completing 59%, which is considered average, but also consider that 16 of the other passes went for no gain. Imagine if you had 16 rushes out of 39 stopped for no gain. Fans would go crazy. That's why it's not a fair comparison. -
DW's fumbles led to 7 points not 14. We lost by 8.DerekJohnson said:Nice episode, really enjoyed it.
@HeretoBeatmyChest You say you disagree with me about Petersen costing us the game. If Gaskin gets DWash's carries, it's pretty safe to say he doesn't fumble once and definitely doesn't fumble twice. There's the difference in the ballgame right there.
I also agree with James and Roadie that Cooper deserves 2-5 carries a game. He's a serviceable back.
The Durkee dropped punt is backbreaking because we had the lead and it gave Utah great field position. The Lenius penalty cost us 4 points and it could have been 7. Those are self inflicted.
Even with the sometimes fumbles DW is so much better to the offense than the other backs behind him. He is the only big play threat on the offense. He had a 30 yard run before the fumble which was a perfect hit by the defender. His numbers are good this year. Watch the next game, he will break one against an over aggressive defense. By the way, remember what happened last year when Cooper was trusted not to fumble?
We came out throwing bc Utah had a corner who was starting his first game. It worked well. Too bad Lenius got a stupid penalty and Durkee muffed a perfect snap to throw things off. Gaskin actually started off slow and was able to get going against a very good run defense because the pass opened some things up.
Like I said Utah was able to run more because they had the lead and they have a true running quarterback that gives them that extra dimension. Plus an experienced back who can handle 30 carries. Also, our defense was clearly weakened by injuries. Not having 2 of your 3 best guys hurts a lot (Baker and Qualls). I know Gaines played well but he wasn't tackling guys in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage.
If you want to blame the coaches for anything, blame them for not practicing in the rain enough (allegedly).
The reasons we lost the game were 3-fold: missing two of the three best players on defense which allowed Utah just enough success in the run game to keep at it, self inflicted wounds, a few of which could relate to practice above and back breaking questionable calls on consecutive series in the 4th quarter which allowed Utah to keep control of the game as they were losing it. I would like to see Gaskin get a few more carries but giving him 30 carries every game is not the difference between winning and losing as the majority of the bored seems to believe. -
Our SOS is seven?????!!!!! Wth kind of fucked parallel universe are we living in???
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We didn't run enough against Cal, Oregon, and arguably this past game against Utah. I'm not saying we would have won all three, but the pass heavy offense has certainly hurt us and greatly contributed to a loss or two.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
DW's fumbles led to 7 points not 14. We lost by 8.DerekJohnson said:Nice episode, really enjoyed it.
@HeretoBeatmyChest You say you disagree with me about Petersen costing us the game. If Gaskin gets DWash's carries, it's pretty safe to say he doesn't fumble once and definitely doesn't fumble twice. There's the difference in the ballgame right there.
I also agree with James and Roadie that Cooper deserves 2-5 carries a game. He's a serviceable back.
The Durkee dropped punt is backbreaking because we had the lead and it gave Utah great field position. The Lenius penalty cost us 4 points and it could have been 7. Those are self inflicted.
Even with the sometimes fumbles DW is so much better to the offense than the other backs behind him. He is the only big play threat on the offense. He had a 30 yard run before the fumble which was a perfect hit by the defender. His numbers are good this year. Watch the next game, he will break one against an over aggressive defense. By the way, remember what happened last year when Cooper was trusted not to fumble?
We came out throwing bc Utah had a corner who was starting his first game. It worked well. Too bad Lenius got a stupid penalty and Durkee muffed a perfect snap to throw things off. Gaskin actually started off slow and was able to get going against a very good run defense because the pass opened some things up.
Like I said Utah was able to run more because they had the lead and they have a true running quarterback that gives them that extra dimension. Plus an experienced back who can handle 30 carries. Also, our defense was clearly weakened by injuries. Not having 2 of your 3 best guys hurts a lot (Baker and Qualls). I know Gaines played well but he wasn't tackling guys in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage.
If you want to blame the coaches for anything, blame them for not practicing in the rain enough (allegedly).
The reasons we lost the game were 3-fold: missing two of the three best players on defense which allowed Utah just enough success in the run game to keep at it, self inflicted wounds, a few of which could relate to practice above and back breaking questionable calls on consecutive series in the 4th quarter which allowed Utah to keep control of the game as they were losing it. I would like to see Gaskin get a few more carries but giving him 30 carries every game is not the difference between winning and losing as the majority of the bored seems to believe.
Gaskin only had five carries in the first half. He's produced enough this year for that to be unacceptable. -
Disagree.doogville said:
This is dumb. 6 plays for 42 yards is 6 plays for 42 yards. "Wearing them down," tempo, TOP, etc are irrelevant as long as you move the ball.greenblood said:
This.RoadDawg55 said:Some of you are so fucking stupid it hurts. All teams average more throwing the ball. That is truly the weakest argument of all time. Stanford might as well not give McCaffrey the ball considering Hogan averages more per attempt throwing. Same for Oregon and Freeman.
What's better?
QB: 3 comp - 6 att - 42 yards
RB: 6 car - 42 yards
Running the football wears down an opponent and controls the tempo of the game.
But if you morons prefer the pass, I hear Leach has a great system east of you. They've never won anything, and have blown more games late than games they've won in his tenure there but it sure is FUN TO WATCH!!
Even though teams average more yards passing than running, running is more efficient and has far less risk, unless you give the ball to Washington. The numbers also don't show yards losses from sacks as well.
A quarterback throwing the ball 39 times and completing 23 is completing 59%, which is considered average, but also consider that 16 of the other passes went for no gain. Imagine if you had 16 rushes out of 39 stopped for no gain. Fans would go crazy. That's why it's not a fair comparison.
There's a time and a place.
So it's the same to have three incompletes mid fourth quarter up a touchdown vs 6 straight runs milking clock?
The last 9 minutes of Oregon vs Cal in 2010 is a perfect example of the difference between the two.
You're also ignoring the theory that the outcome of B is a result of the outcome of A. Meaning when you are running the ball down a teams' throat for 50 yards, then throw a 30 yard play action touchdown, are you saying the pass was better, even though the 50 yards of rushing is what set up the pass in the first place?
Based on your assumption that all is equal, UW should adopt the air raid. -
I do agree that we need to get Gaskin going earlier and he should be getting more carries. Especially now with the OL coming on and Browning improving. But the kneejerk reactions here are FS.RoadDawg55 said:
We didn't run enough against Cal, Oregon, and arguably this past game against Utah. I'm not saying we would have won all three, but the pass heavy offense has certainly hurt us and greatly contributed to a loss or two.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
DW's fumbles led to 7 points not 14. We lost by 8.DerekJohnson said:Nice episode, really enjoyed it.
@HeretoBeatmyChest You say you disagree with me about Petersen costing us the game. If Gaskin gets DWash's carries, it's pretty safe to say he doesn't fumble once and definitely doesn't fumble twice. There's the difference in the ballgame right there.
I also agree with James and Roadie that Cooper deserves 2-5 carries a game. He's a serviceable back.
The Durkee dropped punt is backbreaking because we had the lead and it gave Utah great field position. The Lenius penalty cost us 4 points and it could have been 7. Those are self inflicted.
Even with the sometimes fumbles DW is so much better to the offense than the other backs behind him. He is the only big play threat on the offense. He had a 30 yard run before the fumble which was a perfect hit by the defender. His numbers are good this year. Watch the next game, he will break one against an over aggressive defense. By the way, remember what happened last year when Cooper was trusted not to fumble?
We came out throwing bc Utah had a corner who was starting his first game. It worked well. Too bad Lenius got a stupid penalty and Durkee muffed a perfect snap to throw things off. Gaskin actually started off slow and was able to get going against a very good run defense because the pass opened some things up.
Like I said Utah was able to run more because they had the lead and they have a true running quarterback that gives them that extra dimension. Plus an experienced back who can handle 30 carries. Also, our defense was clearly weakened by injuries. Not having 2 of your 3 best guys hurts a lot (Baker and Qualls). I know Gaines played well but he wasn't tackling guys in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage.
If you want to blame the coaches for anything, blame them for not practicing in the rain enough (allegedly).
The reasons we lost the game were 3-fold: missing two of the three best players on defense which allowed Utah just enough success in the run game to keep at it, self inflicted wounds, a few of which could relate to practice above and back breaking questionable calls on consecutive series in the 4th quarter which allowed Utah to keep control of the game as they were losing it. I would like to see Gaskin get a few more carries but giving him 30 carries every game is not the difference between winning and losing as the majority of the bored seems to believe.
Gaskin only had five carries in the first half. He's produced enough this year for that to be unacceptable. -
Utah's run defense is solid ... not really sure why everybody is thinking that running the ball first, second, and third would have been a successful strategy against them.
No offense @DerekJohnson, but given some of your recent comments about forest and trees, the logic that the game was lost by giving Washington carries and not sitting him on the bench 100% and transferring those carries to Gaskin as if they are linear is one of the worst lines of thinking on this board that I've heard after this game. For better or worse, Washington is arguably the most explosive offensive player on this roster. Putting him on the bench isn't necessarily a recipe for success. -
Didn't Rudy get in at the last play of the game in a blowout?
Edit: Fuck Psalm or Salm. -
@HeretoBeatmyChest I did say that there was a path to 8 or 9 if everything broke right ... I'm pretty sure if you find it I was thinking that 7 was the realistic number.
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@jecornel this podcast was your best effort
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Why even run the ball at all?
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Signed up to say I love the podcast but @HeretoBeatmyChest please don't eat while recording. With headphones on the munching in my ear was nearly as annoying as our offensive play calling.
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But how are you and AuburnDoog similar?Tequilla said:@HeretoBeatmyChest I did say that there was a path to 8 or 9 if everything broke right ... I'm pretty sure if you find it I was thinking that 7 was the realistic number.
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So in 10 plays, 46 yards in all runs and a Browning punt on 4th and 1 > 66 yards in all passes and a missed FGA?
Lil Gaskin isn't going to wear out any defense at a legit 178#s. -
Wearing out a defense isn't based on the size of a RB. You are drowning in this thread.priapism said:So in 10 plays, 46 yards in all runs and a Browning punt on 4th and 1 > 66 yards in all passes and a missed FGA?
Lil Gaskin isn't going to wear out any defense at a legit 178#s.
