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Rooting for USC to fail is rooting for Oregon to succeed

Why has Oregon risen?

3. Nike $$$ for facilities
2. They have hired good coaches
1. By far the biggest reason: USC, UCLA and Washington have hired a series of bad coaches (Fingers crossed Sark breaks that trend) and have underperformed vs their historic levels. Kids who should be playing in LA or Seattle are going to Eugene.

If the big three get their act together Oregon (and Stanford) will slide back to mediocrity.

C'mon Haden, pull the trigger and hire a real football coach.
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  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,309
    How about just worrying about how to make Washington better? USC being great again only makes your problems worse. Or are you one of those fans that accepts mediocrity from your own program as long as your rivals suck more?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,697 Founders Club
    Had Pete Carroll stayed at USC he would have lost to chip a time or two.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    BSU game assured me that we are a threat to Oregon.

    Call it what you want, but UW definitely opened eyes last week. They're also raised concerns in Eugene.

    Bottom line, whatever Oregon can do, many other schools can do better, including UW. Why? More and better resources. Oregon has Phil Knight and Nike. What more can Oregon do that others aren't catching up to, and even surpassing?

    Oregon is still in Eugene, it's nowhere near the quality school as many in the Pac-12, and very aware of what's going on up North.

    Should be an interesting game this year. Duck fans will be more nervous this year than in quite some time. Youll be able to tell the amount of anxiety with the amount of trash talk by the fans. Expect a lot of that from Eugene this year
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited September 2013
    Oregon was already on it's way when Carroll was still at USC. They beat USC two out of Carroll's last three years, plunger raping USC in 2009.

    Look at all the guys Oregon recruits. A lot of them are national recruits. Why should those players be playing in Seattle or LA?

    Your post is filled with inaccuracies. USC will be fine once they fire Kiffin. The big 3? It's not 1990 you fucking imbecile. Oregon isn't going anywhere.
  • AuburndawgAuburndawg Member Posts: 362
    Recruiting is a zero sum game. If UW, USC and UCLA are all strong Oregon will stop getting kids like DAT and Mariotta.

  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    Hi there.

    Chip Kelly helped the Ducks gain national attention in 2009 after an upset of the then #5 USC Trojans on October 31. Kelly became the first Pac-10 coach to win an outright conference championship in his first season, sending the Ducks to the Rose Bowl for the first time since 1995. Oregon also became the first Pac-10 team to win a conference title by two games since Washington accomplished the feat in 1991. On December 7, 2009 Kelly was named Pac-10 Coach of the year. He was the second Ducks coach to earn the honor, the other being Rich Brooks (two times). (LOL!)

    That USC team was coached by crappy Pete Carroll.

    Your narrative is a graa, just don't try and pass it off as anything but fiction.
  • AuburndawgAuburndawg Member Posts: 362
    I said all three need to be strong. Oregon rose as UW and UCLA fell. USC declining will just make things worse.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    edited September 2013

    I said all three need to be strong. Oregon rose as UW and UCLA fell. USC declining will just make things worse.

    When in history have all three USC, UCLA and UW been simultaneously strong?

    Not often.

    Yet Oregon still sucked.

    Then Oregon got their shit together.

    Hope that helps.

  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    I said all three need to be strong. Oregon rose as UW and UCLA fell. USC declining will just make things worse.

    Like I said, USC will be fine once Kiffin is gone. It's not like they don't have talent on their team. Oregon isn't going anywhere even if all 3 teams are strong.

  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    How about just worrying about how to make Washington better? USC being great again only makes your problems worse. Or are you one of those fans that accepts mediocrity from your own program as long as your rivals suck more?


    We don't call him AuburndoogFuckingStupid for nothing.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,005
    dnc said:

    BSU game assured me that we are a threat to Oregon.

    Call it what you want, but UW definitely opened eyes last week. They're also raised concerns in Eugene.

    Bottom line, whatever Oregon can do, many other schools can do better, including UW. Why? More and better resources. Oregon has Phil Knight and Nike. What more can Oregon do that others aren't catching up to, and even surpassing?

    Oregon is still in Eugene, it's nowhere near the quality school as many in the Pac-12, and very aware of what's going on up North.

    Should be an interesting game this year. Duck fans will be more nervous this year than in quite some time. Youll be able to tell the amount of anxiety with the amount of trash talk by the fans. Expect a lot of that from Eugene this year

    1. Maybe. Let's see how good Boise is. Nevermind. Let's just see how good UW can continue to be. Whether "concerns" have been raised in Eugene . . . probably no more than usual. UW has has had some other decent wins last few years, and it hasn't translated to beating Oregon in a decade.

    2. Duh. Whatever any school can do, another can do better ... given the right circumstances. Nobody cares that Oregon is in Eugene, any more than they do that Florida is in Gainsville and Oklahoma is in Norman and Nebraska in Lincoln and Penn State in Happy Valley and ... and .... Doesn't matter. Never has. Academics? Is that why we used to get everyone to come here? Back when we were ranked #76 in the US News and WR? Are you serious? How does Arizona and ASU recruit then? Texas A&M? Any school in the SEC not named Vanderbilt? This is such a loser line of reasoning.

    3. Trash talk - so, by logical extension, does that mean you're nervous too?

    Oregon got good. Phil isn't going anywhere, and as long as he's there, they won't tolerate a coach who isn't getting it done. THAT is why they are good. It's a priority. If it becomes a priority here again, and it seems to be, then we will be good ... again. But that won't make them bad by itself.

    I do love the "return to the mean" theory. Of course UW will be good again. But this idea that there is some rightful trilogy in the conference is laughable.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,005

    I said all three need to be strong. Oregon rose as UW and UCLA fell. USC declining will just make things worse.

    Look up the words "correlation" and "causation". Then start another thread.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,005
    edited September 2013

    Recruiting is a zero sum game. If UW, USC and UCLA are all strong Oregon will stop getting kids like DAT and Mariotta.



    Not necessarily. Each can only have 85. If this theory held true, then UW should not have landed Shaq ... but it did, even after 7-6.

    Don't tell me - he's a brilliant aspiring computer science student and came here to study.

    Oregon got DAT when USC still looked like a viable place to play. It must've been the cheating.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614


    dnc said:

    BSU game assured me that we are a threat to Oregon.

    Call it what you want, but UW definitely opened eyes last week. They're also raised concerns in Eugene.

    Bottom line, whatever Oregon can do, many other schools can do better, including UW. Why? More and better resources. Oregon has Phil Knight and Nike. What more can Oregon do that others aren't catching up to, and even surpassing?

    Oregon is still in Eugene, it's nowhere near the quality school as many in the Pac-12, and very aware of what's going on up North.

    Should be an interesting game this year. Duck fans will be more nervous this year than in quite some time. Youll be able to tell the amount of anxiety with the amount of trash talk by the fans. Expect a lot of that from Eugene this year

    1. Maybe. Let's see how good Boise is. Nevermind. Let's just see how good UW can continue to be. Whether "concerns" have been raised in Eugene . . . probably no more than usual. UW has has had some other decent wins last few years, and it hasn't translated to beating Oregon in a decade.

    2. Duh. Whatever any school can do, another can do better ... given the right circumstances. Nobody cares that Oregon is in Eugene, any more than they do that Florida is in Gainsville and Oklahoma is in Norman and Nebraska in Lincoln and Penn State in Happy Valley and ... and .... Doesn't matter. Never has. Academics? Is that why we used to get everyone to come here? Back when we were ranked #76 in the US News and WR? Are you serious? How does Arizona and ASU recruit then? Texas A&M? Any school in the SEC not named Vanderbilt? This is such a loser line of reasoning.

    3. Trash talk - so, by logical extension, does that mean you're nervous too?

    Oregon got good. Phil isn't going anywhere, and as long as he's there, they won't tolerate a coach who isn't getting it done. THAT is why they are good. It's a priority. If it becomes a priority here again, and it seems to be, then we will be good ... again. But that won't make them bad by itself.

    I do love the "return to the mean" theory. Of course UW will be good again. But this idea that there is some rightful trilogy in the conference is laughable.
    You must be new here
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,005

    Oregon was already on it's way when Carroll was still at USC. They beat USC two out of Carroll's last three years, plunger raping USC in 2009.

    Look at all the guys Oregon recruits. A lot of them are national recruits. Why should those players be playing in Seattle or LA?

    Your post is filled with inaccuracies. USC will be fine once they fire Kiffin. The big 3? It's not 1990 you fucking imbecile. Oregon isn't going anywhere.

    spot on. we can compete without having to hope Oregon falls down. if they do, all the better, but it's not a condition precedent.
  • Mooser42Mooser42 Member Posts: 763
    Why can't Oregon be strong, and UW is strong with them? Since when does Oregon have to be shit for UW to be any good?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,005
    Yes. Today is my birthday.
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