College players starting to sue over concussions now

ApostleofGrief

I don't know. I think in a way it is good to draw attention to the problem, but ejecting players for some mostly incidental helmet contact (like last week's Cal game) is going to far. It's the true cheap shots that should result in player ejections. I haven't seen any study that says if you just play college ball you are likely to suffer long term consequences. It's the guys that play college and then several years of pro that seem to have the issues.

espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9633552/former-football-players-sue-ncaa-concussions

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Disagree. Even in college players suffer severe concussions, some diagnosed and others not. Especially when the players aren't being paid, head safety should be paramount. I'm sure you've seen how difficult it is for players who have suffered numerous concussions just to make it through the day. Some former players have committed suicide due to CTE. Helmet to helmet hits need to go.

Mad_Son

"Zach Fogerson"

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And all the fucktards commenting on that ESPN article don't understand the simple difference between it being a dangerous sport, and the NCAA withholding information/failing to educate players about concussions.

Knee injuries, ankle injuries and the like are not the same as head injuries where the effects are difficult to diagnose and can have much more severe consequences to the player. How many times were concussed players told "they just got their bell rung" and sent back on the field? That's the difference.

ApostleofGrief

CollegeDoog said:

Disagree. Even in college players suffer severe concussions, some diagnosed and others not. Especially when the players aren't being paid, head safety should be paramount. I'm sure you've seen how difficult it is for players who have suffered numerous concussions just to make it through the day. Some former players have committed suicide due to CTE. Helmet to helmet hits need to go.

I think flagrant targeting to the head should be illegal, eg., shots on wide receivers. The problem is that there is helmet-to-helmet contact in football on every single play. The question is not if there is helmet-to-helmet contact but how it happens. Refs will call "helmet-to-helmet" if you tackle a QB or WR, but not if you tackle a running back. A RB is going to get dinged in the head most of the time.

I took some massive hits to the head when I was playing. Virtually all helmet contact doesn't cause problems, though. The brain can take an incredible pounding and still work fine. Not to make light of it, but the situation now is on the verge of being overblown.

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ApostleofGrief said:

CollegeDoog said:

Disagree. Even in college players suffer severe concussions, some diagnosed and others not. Especially when the players aren't being paid, head safety should be paramount. I'm sure you've seen how difficult it is for players who have suffered numerous concussions just to make it through the day. Some former players have committed suicide due to CTE. Helmet to helmet hits need to go.

I think flagrant targeting to the head should be illegal, eg., shots on wide receivers. The problem is that there is helmet-to-helmet contact in football on every single play. The question is not if there is helmet-to-helmet contact but how it happens. Refs will call "helmet-to-helmet" if you tackle a QB or WR, but not if you tackle a running back. A RB is going to get dinged in the head most of the time.

I took some massive hits to the head when I was playing. Virtually all helmet contact doesn't cause problems, though. The brain can take an incredible pounding and still work fine. Not to make light of it, but the situation now is on the verge of being overblown.

True, and I agree with a lot of what you said.

Lineman hit helmet to helmet on nearly every play, but the impact is much lesser then a highlight hit or blindside block. I think the refs will use discretion on this rule. If a defensive player lowers his head or throws himself (two feet of the ground) into a defenseless player, ejection is warranted.

MikeDamone

Lets ban everything people do that might cause a injury.

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MikeDamone said:

Lets ban everything people do that might cause a injury.

Head injuries are different hth

AtomicDawg

If anyone ever thought having multiple concussions might not cause long term damage they are a dumb ass.
I guess maybe things were different before I played sports growing up but I don't feel sorry for people 30 and under. Even then it's kind of a common sense thing. Gettkng hit in the head is not good for health. Are boxers going to sue the sanctioned federations they fought under because their brains are gone now too?
I agree they need to take launching forward with your helmet out of the game but the incedental stuff getting people ejected is stupid.

ApostleofGrief

Look, if a player has a concussion get him out of the game. Make flagrant targeting illegal. That I have no problem with.

I'm only saying that you aren't going to stop helmet-to-helmet hits unless you stop playing football and start playing soccer or rugby. Anybody who ever got in a three point stance in real, organized football (intramural doesn't count) knows helmet-to-helmet hitting is on every play.

greenblood

AtomicDawg said:

If anyone ever thought having multiple concussions might not cause long term damage they are a dumb ass.
I guess maybe things were different before I played sports growing up but I don't feel sorry for people 30 and under. Even then it's kind of a common sense thing. Gettkng hit in the head is not good for health. Are boxers going to sue the sanctioned federations they fought under because their brains are gone now too?
I agree they need to take launching forward with your helmet out of the game but the incedental stuff getting people ejected is stupid.

I like the rule, but I don't like the penalty. Just like how the NBA handles flagrant fouls, the NCAA needs to put the targeting into two categories. Targeting 1 and Targeting 2.

Targeting 1- Not blatant, more or less a quick reaction technical error on the part of the defender, not purposely inflicting severe harm above the shoulders. 15 yard penalty and out for the rest of the possession.

Targeting 2- You knew what the hell you were doing, you wanted to get on sports center, you tried to knock his head off. One game suspension possibly more depending on the severity and if you are a repeat offender.

unfrozencaveman

I had a couple concussions back in the day, and I'm fine. Ski racing after hours - helmets are a wise choice.

Did I tell you I'm fine? Ning ning, yoot yoot

ApostleofGrief

unfrozencaveman said:

I had a couple concussions back in the day, and I'm fine. Ski racing after hours - helmets are a wise choice.

Did I tell you I'm fine? Ning ning, yoot yoot

the real danger to brain health is not helmet-to-helmet contact but drugs and alcohol.

unfrozencaveman

Don't disagree, but what's the statue (sic) of limitations? The class action you linked includes a couple players from the 70's?

RoadDawg55

The symptoms they state for concussions are total bullshit. If you see stars, you have a concussion, blah, blah, blah. Not that concussions aren't serious, but I bet Sean Parker sees stars 4 times per game. Hitting big dudes fucking hurts and takes a toll, it's the way the game is. Take that away, and there is no football. I never played past high school, but I saw stars once or twice every single game.

It's the same thing about keeping your head up. If you are smaller and keep your head up, you are going to get trucked by a big RB. Lowering the head and spearing them in the knee is the way all little guys need to tackle big guys. It's so obvious some of the guys who are so big on limiting head injuries have never played the game.

ApostleofGrief

RoadDawg55 said:

The symptoms they state for concussions are total bullshit. If you see stars, you have a concussion, blah, blah, blah. Not that concussions aren't serious, but I bet Sean Parker sees stars 4 times per game. Hitting big dudes fucking hurts and takes a toll, it's the way the game is. Take that away, and there is no football. I never played past high school, but I saw stars once or twice every single game.

It's the same thing about keeping your head up. If you are smaller and keep your head up, you are going to get trucked by a big RB. Lowering the head and spearing them in the knee is the way all little guys need to tackle big guys. It's so obvious some of the guys who are so big on limiting head injuries have never played the game.

never lower your head when tackling... never. It's the quickest way to be paralyzed.

RoadDawg55

ApostleofGrief said:

RoadDawg55 said:

The symptoms they state for concussions are total bullshit. If you see stars, you have a concussion, blah, blah, blah. Not that concussions aren't serious, but I bet Sean Parker sees stars 4 times per game. Hitting big dudes fucking hurts and takes a toll, it's the way the game is. Take that away, and there is no football. I never played past high school, but I saw stars once or twice every single game.

It's the same thing about keeping your head up. If you are smaller and keep your head up, you are going to get trucked by a big RB. Lowering the head and spearing them in the knee is the way all little guys need to tackle big guys. It's so obvious some of the guys who are so big on limiting head injuries have never played the game.

never lower your head when tackling... never. It's the quickest way to be paralyzed.

I don't really disagree, but there is no other way for little guys to tackle. People who say otherwise, never were small and had to tackle a much bigger back. The helmet to the kneecap is the only way to get to get a guy down.

MikeDamone

CollegeDoog said:

MikeDamone said:

Lets ban everything people do that might cause a injury.

Head injuries are different hth

Ok. Lets ban everything people do that might cause head injuries.

ApostleofGrief

RoadDawg55 said:

ApostleofGrief said:

RoadDawg55 said:

The symptoms they state for concussions are total bullshit. If you see stars, you have a concussion, blah, blah, blah. Not that concussions aren't serious, but I bet Sean Parker sees stars 4 times per game. Hitting big dudes fucking hurts and takes a toll, it's the way the game is. Take that away, and there is no football. I never played past high school, but I saw stars once or twice every single game.

It's the same thing about keeping your head up. If you are smaller and keep your head up, you are going to get trucked by a big RB. Lowering the head and spearing them in the knee is the way all little guys need to tackle big guys. It's so obvious some of the guys who are so big on limiting head injuries have never played the game.

never lower your head when tackling... never. It's the quickest way to be paralyzed.

I don't really disagree, but there is no other way for little guys to tackle. People who say otherwise, never were small and had to tackle a much bigger back. The helmet to the kneecap is the only way to get to get a guy down.

If you have to tackle with your helmet down, don't play football! The first thing they teach you as a kid is never drop your helmet down because that's how you get paralyzed. I'm no lover of the human race but I'd hate to think some kid reads this and goes out and tries it. Keep that head UP!

RoadDawg55

ApostleofGrief said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ApostleofGrief said:

RoadDawg55 said:

The symptoms they state for concussions are total bullshit. If you see stars, you have a concussion, blah, blah, blah. Not that concussions aren't serious, but I bet Sean Parker sees stars 4 times per game. Hitting big dudes fucking hurts and takes a toll, it's the way the game is. Take that away, and there is no football. I never played past high school, but I saw stars once or twice every single game.

It's the same thing about keeping your head up. If you are smaller and keep your head up, you are going to get trucked by a big RB. Lowering the head and spearing them in the knee is the way all little guys need to tackle big guys. It's so obvious some of the guys who are so big on limiting head injuries have never played the game.

never lower your head when tackling... never. It's the quickest way to be paralyzed.

I don't really disagree, but there is no other way for little guys to tackle. People who say otherwise, never were small and had to tackle a much bigger back. The helmet to the kneecap is the only way to get to get a guy down.

If you have to tackle with your helmet down, don't play football! The first thing they teach you as a kid is never drop your helmet down because that's how you get paralyzed. I'm no lover of the human race but I'd hate to think some kid reads this and goes out and tries it. Keep that head UP!

No shit, they teach you to keep your head up. I'm just saying if you are a 5'8" 150 pound corner and you try and form tackle a 200 pound RB, you are getting ran over. The only way you are getting him down is to put your helmet into his shin or knee. It's pretty hard to keep your head up when it is only 18 inches from the ground.

ApostleofGrief

RoadDawg55 said:

ApostleofGrief said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ApostleofGrief said:

RoadDawg55 said:

The symptoms they state for concussions are total bullshit. If you see stars, you have a concussion, blah, blah, blah. Not that concussions aren't serious, but I bet Sean Parker sees stars 4 times per game. Hitting big dudes fucking hurts and takes a toll, it's the way the game is. Take that away, and there is no football. I never played past high school, but I saw stars once or twice every single game.

It's the same thing about keeping your head up. If you are smaller and keep your head up, you are going to get trucked by a big RB. Lowering the head and spearing them in the knee is the way all little guys need to tackle big guys. It's so obvious some of the guys who are so big on limiting head injuries have never played the game.

never lower your head when tackling... never. It's the quickest way to be paralyzed.

I don't really disagree, but there is no other way for little guys to tackle. People who say otherwise, never were small and had to tackle a much bigger back. The helmet to the kneecap is the only way to get to get a guy down.

If you have to tackle with your helmet down, don't play football! The first thing they teach you as a kid is never drop your helmet down because that's how you get paralyzed. I'm no lover of the human race but I'd hate to think some kid reads this and goes out and tries it. Keep that head UP!

No shit, they teach you to keep your head up. I'm just saying if you are a 5'8" 150 pound corner and you try and form tackle a 200 pound RB, you are getting ran over. The only way you are getting him down is to put your helmet into his shin or knee. It's pretty hard to keep your head up when it is only 18 inches from the ground.

I see your point. But, you can still keep the angle of your head up, so you can see the player is what I mean. You don't want to come in with your head pointed to the ground.