Petersen Question From Stewart Mandel's Mailbag
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I don't think Stanford is going to go anywhere in the foreseeable future. Shaw is a good to very good coach but I'll take Petersen over him. I see both schools focusing on many of the same players and playing similar, but slightly different styles.
The ceiling for Seven as a coach IMO is Mark Richt ... except for the fact that Richt seems like at least a decent guy off the field and we all know what scum Seven is. -
I agree with the posts here, but just to throw it out there, Dantonio isn't ever in the top 3 for Big Ten recruiting, but he has the 2nd best program in that conference. If Petersen can really coach and develop, he will make it work regardless of where he ends up in recruiting. As seen by the NFL draft, there are tons of good players out there that are missed by the top schools.
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While true. That coincides with historically bad Michigan teams, Ohio State sanctions, Pedo State problems, and a general trend of the bottom falling out of the big10. Midwest talent generally has been trending down for awhile (especially in the state of Michigan and Detroit metro area). With Harbaugh, Urban and Franklin in place I think talent acquisition will become an even bigger struggle at MSU. MD is still a very good coach, but like this thread agrees talent matters.RoadDawg55 said:I agree with the posts here, but just to throw it out there, Dantonio isn't ever in the top 3 for Big Ten recruiting, but he has the 2nd best program in that conference. If Petersen can really coach and develop, he will make it work regardless of where he ends up in recruiting. As seen by the NFL draft, there are tons of good players out there that are missed by the top schools.
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Crisped!Tequilla said:
Eason hurtsDennis_DeYoung said:
This is the whole fucking (hole fucking?) ball of wax right here.RaceBannon said:People forget that UW always recruited well in So Cal even in the waning dreck filled years of Jim Owens. James had some decent talent here when he took over. Just not enough.
He then nabbed Warren Moon out of LA to show the world that things had changed at UW and we would play a natural athlete who needed to spend more time in the film room at QB.
James did well in SO Cal and the Bay Area, the two places Oregon took over from us. When James took over the Bay Area the set the stage for decades of dominance over Cal and Stanford.
Recruiting matters. It wasn't until we dropped football that the doogs came up with this bullshit about how we can't recruit in Cali and you can't blame a kid for taking a Stanford offer and all that crap.
Now when I see we are after a kid who has an Oregon offer I know we're fucked. That's a 180 degree turn folks. We need to make it 360.
The strategy for our recruiting has always been the same: Get 90% of the best kids in WA, Beat everyone outside of the LA schools for recruits 80% of the time, win 20% of the battles with the LA schools.
Right now we're getting about 80% of the best kids out of Washington (losing Eason is huge no matter how much I like Pete);
We're beating ASU about 50% of the time, Oregon about 15% and Stanford about 33%.
OSU, Utah, WSU, Colorado, Cal and Zona about 80% of the time.
We're beating USC and UCLA about 5% of the time.IF Browning isn't what we think he is ... if he is, then it's more of a perception problem. I'm still trying to figure out how much of the fuck up here was Pete realizing he ain't in the WAC anymore versus Eason wanting to leave the area.
Getting the best kids in Washington (the ones we want) I expect to continue getting better. Pulling Budda back from Oregon is a step in the right direction. In fact, over time, I expect that our recruiting versus Oregon and Slingblade will normalize a bit compared to Chipster vs Seven.
Ideally we need to get the ASU percentage up to about 70-75% and Stanford up to 50/50 to slightly better.
UCLA and USC are different stories to me at this point. How much longer is Mora going to be there? Who do they replace him with? And how many of the same players is Pete going after compared to SC? Seven is living off the myths that he is throwing out there at the moment. Once reality sets in I expect that we'll start doing a little better in recruiting against SC. And as we all know, UW player development is going to beat USC player development every single day of the week. -
I guess my point on Eason is that the magnitude that he hurts all depends on Browning ... if Browning is who we think he is, then the pain will be dulled significantly.
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Fair enough, but the Pac 12's best program is coached by Sark, the bottom of the conference is terrible, and Chip is gone at Oregon.BallSacked said:
While true. That coincides with historically bad Michigan teams, Ohio State sanctions, Pedo State problems, and a general trend of the bottom falling out of the big10. Midwest talent generally has been trending down for awhile (especially in the state of Michigan and Detroit metro area). With Harbaugh, Urban and Franklin in place I think talent acquisition will become an even bigger struggle at MSU. MD is still a very good coach, but like this thread agrees talent matters.RoadDawg55 said:I agree with the posts here, but just to throw it out there, Dantonio isn't ever in the top 3 for Big Ten recruiting, but he has the 2nd best program in that conference. If Petersen can really coach and develop, he will make it work regardless of where he ends up in recruiting. As seen by the NFL draft, there are tons of good players out there that are missed by the top schools.
Ohio State's sanctions only affected them one year when Fickell was their coach. They were really good under Tressell and they've lost two games in three years under Meyer. Penn State had a couple good seasons since 2000, but were mostly average. They weren't that great before the pedo stuff. Wisconsin has been good since Dantonio came along. Discrediting Dantonio is like discrediting Oregon because USC has been down and UW has sucked during their run.
And I fully agree that talent matters. And the teams with the best recruiting rankings are typically the best teams. I'm just saying there is plenty of talent that the TBSers under value or don't even know about. -
Tequilla said:
I guess my point on Eason is that the magnitude that he hurts all depends on Browning ... if Browning is who we think he is, then the pain will be dulled significantly.
Here he is as a HS senior, stepping up in the pocket, avoiding the rush, and threading the needle against our secondary. -
It's a nice play, but jeez. Enough about he's a HS senior. The kid had multiple practices and has played QB his whole life.whatshouldicareabout said:Tequilla said:I guess my point on Eason is that the magnitude that he hurts all depends on Browning ... if Browning is who we think he is, then the pain will be dulled significantly.
Here he is as a HS senior, stepping up in the pocket, avoiding the rush, and threading the needle against our secondary. -
Fine, he's a fucking freshman. What more do you want?RoadDawg55 said:
It's a nice play, but jeez. Enough about he's a HS senior. The kid had multiple practices and has played QB his whole life.whatshouldicareabout said:Tequilla said:I guess my point on Eason is that the magnitude that he hurts all depends on Browning ... if Browning is who we think he is, then the pain will be dulled significantly.
Here he is as a HS senior, stepping up in the pocket, avoiding the rush, and threading the needle against our secondary. -
Not discrediting, I am citing a reason, and questioning if it will continue. SC being down clearly created a void for teams to step up into - Oregon and UCLA probably being primary beneficiaries. Same with Dantonio. Michigan sucking created an opportunity for MSU, I question if its sustainable for him if Harbaugh gets it going in Ann Arbor. Recruiting and talent dynamics in the Midwest are less attractive than the west coast in my opinion.RoadDawg55 said:
Fair enough, but the Pac 12's best program is coached by Sark, the bottom of the conference is terrible, and Chip is gone at Oregon.BallSacked said:
While true. That coincides with historically bad Michigan teams, Ohio State sanctions, Pedo State problems, and a general trend of the bottom falling out of the big10. Midwest talent generally has been trending down for awhile (especially in the state of Michigan and Detroit metro area). With Harbaugh, Urban and Franklin in place I think talent acquisition will become an even bigger struggle at MSU. MD is still a very good coach, but like this thread agrees talent matters.RoadDawg55 said:I agree with the posts here, but just to throw it out there, Dantonio isn't ever in the top 3 for Big Ten recruiting, but he has the 2nd best program in that conference. If Petersen can really coach and develop, he will make it work regardless of where he ends up in recruiting. As seen by the NFL draft, there are tons of good players out there that are missed by the top schools.
Ohio State's sanctions only affected them one year when Fickell was their coach. They were really good under Tressell and they've lost two games in three years under Meyer. Penn State had a couple good seasons since 2000, but were mostly average. They weren't that great before the pedo stuff. Wisconsin has been good since Dantonio came along. Discrediting Dantonio is like discrediting Oregon because USC has been down and UW has sucked during their run.
And I fully agree that talent matters. And the teams with the best recruiting rankings are typically the best teams. I'm just saying there is plenty of talent that the TBSers under value or don't even know about.
