Thoughts on Basic Income (serious discussion only, plz)
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Has anyone pitched the idea of killing all the poor and replacing them with robots?RaceBannon said:I'm surprised that I am surprised that a commie like Ozone isn't aware of the huge possibility of abuse in flooding the market with cheap forced labor. Wait, forced labor is a communist thing.
Let's see, give an evil corporation the choice between paying full wages and benefits or having the state send a check and what will they choose? We already have prison labor at 6 cents an hour competing. The State of Washington schools buy their furniture from a prison shop in Shelton. That couldn't affect jobs.
I do agree that sending people checks is far more efficient and will help them more that paying all the money to a massive bureaucracy like we have now that squeezes out a few cents on the dollar to people who really need the help. I would have no problem at all with taxes going more directly to the needy.
I don't think people grow up dreaming of of living in Section 8 housing and getting a meager check every month as a great way of life. I do think people grow up and don't see much of an alternative, hence the cycle of despair that we aren't fixing no matter how much money we throw at it.
We need more jobs not less. The state can raise the minimum wage to 25 dollars an hour which is the minimum to live in today's world, but if there isn't anyone to pay it we're all just pissing in the wind. And there ain't nothing like a friend who can tell you you are just pissing in the wind.
We do need new ideas and this thread is a good example of the kind of discussion our fucked up and incompetent politicians should be having but won't.
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I also think that if everyone were guaranteed a subsistence wage we could then do fun libertarian things like abolish the minimum wage entirely. We don't need to worry about the poor starving anymore, so let the market sort out how much flipping burgers is worth. There's a lot of good stuff in this idea for righties, they really should consider embracing itRaceBannon said:I'm surprised that I am surprised that a commie like Ozone isn't aware of the huge possibility of abuse in flooding the market with cheap forced labor. Wait, forced labor is a communist thing.
Let's see, give an evil corporation the choice between paying full wages and benefits or having the state send a check and what will they choose? We already have prison labor at 6 cents an hour competing. The State of Washington schools buy their furniture from a prison shop in Shelton. That couldn't affect jobs.
I do agree that sending people checks is far more efficient and will help them more that paying all the money to a massive bureaucracy like we have now that squeezes out a few cents on the dollar to people who really need the help. I would have no problem at all with taxes going more directly to the needy.
I don't think people grow up dreaming of of living in Section 8 housing and getting a meager check every month as a great way of life. I do think people grow up and don't see much of an alternative, hence the cycle of despair that we aren't fixing no matter how much money we throw at it.
We need more jobs not less. The state can raise the minimum wage to 25 dollars an hour which is the minimum to live in today's world, but if there isn't anyone to pay it we're all just pissing in the wind. And there ain't nothing like a friend who can tell you you are just pissing in the wind.
We do need new ideas and this thread is a good example of the kind of discussion our fucked up and incompetent politicians should be having but won't.
Jobs jobs jobs
