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  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,899 Standard Supporter
    True...but with two starting pitchers out with injuries, a star 2B not really hitting, and a subpar platoon in LF that needs to be addressed with adding a LH bat, there's not much else to discuss except for canning Lincoln (and, obviously adding a 2nd catcher).

    The sources that have stopped by my office basement have told me JZ has probably doesn't have much money to spend so Carlos Ruiz is probably not an option. Ben Revere of the Phillies would be a good piece to add, we could offer Mike Montgomery or Elias and Ackley in a direct or 3 way trade to make it happen.

    Remember, Paxton should be returning soon and doing a trade for a rangy LF (can also play CF) with a good LH bat and excellent speed would remove one more excuse JZ (and Lincoln) would have for not making the playoffs.

    HFNY said:

    I'm thinking the M's should trade for this guy to catch 2 games a week and work with Zunino on his game:

    baseball-reference.com/players/r/ruizca01.shtml

    I was happy to see Weeks DFA'ed.

    The Mariners are 7 games under .500 with the 3rd worst run differential in the AL and you are talking about a back up catcher?
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    Not trading away OF prospects for strikeout prone OFs that don't get on base because you are on the verge of getting fired is also not good baseball ...

    But then again, it doesn't matter because Lincoln, Armstrong, Jack Z, et. al. need to take a jump off the Aurora Bridge.
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,899 Standard Supporter
    Armstrong is already retired but yes, Lincoln and JZ need to go.
    Tequilla said:

    Not trading away OF prospects for strikeout prone OFs that don't get on base because you are on the verge of getting fired is also not good baseball ...

    But then again, it doesn't matter because Lincoln, Armstrong, Jack Z, et. al. need to take a jump off the Aurora Bridge.

  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    The stench of Armstrong still remains
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,899 Standard Supporter
    He was really the operations guy of the team, day-to-day stuff like concessions, ticket sales, promotions rather than a true baseball guy.

    Lincoln is the root of the problem...his ego was too big and led Pinella and then Gillick to leave. Since then, he's hired yes-men who don't challenge him but true leaders don't surround themselves with lackeys who only pour honey into their ears.
    Tequilla said:

    The stench of Armstrong still remains

  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,746
    HFNY said:

    He was really the operations guy of the team, day-to-day stuff like concessions, ticket sales, promotions rather than a true baseball guy.

    Lincoln is the root of the problem...his ego was too big and led Pinella and then Gillick to leave. Since then, he's hired yes-men who don't challenge him but true leaders don't surround themselves with lackeys who only pour honey into their ears.

    Tequilla said:

    The stench of Armstrong still remains

    Armstrong was a big part of the problem. Lincoln's obviously the other big part of it.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    True...but with two starting pitchers out with injuries, a star 2B not really hitting, and a subpar platoon in LF that needs to be addressed with adding a LH bat, there's not much else to discuss except for the start of football season.

  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,592 Founders Club
    The problem is I'm drunk all the time and never make it out to games. 2-0 in the last 2 years when attending. Would go today but need to reposition the mannequin at work.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    Having James Jones batting 6th in an order and being the protection for Brad Miller may be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in a batting order.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,943 Founders Club
    edited June 2015
    I remember coming to the conclusion about ten years ago that winning wasn't a priority at all. It was actually July 31st, 2003. They needed to make some kind of trade to put them over the top and the Jap or Lincoln Log refused to do it by the deadline. For all the smartasses (Boobs) out there, yeah, it wasn't a surprise. It was more of a confirmation.

    They kind of shoot for winning 85 gaymes, and if they overachieve and win 92, the fanbase willl eat that up, especially when it means postseason. They know how stupid most of them are.

    All the faggot ass airplane games, hydroplanes, kiss cams, pink Felix Court shirts, kiddie games, rally fries, Moose, grounds crew dances, and commercials etc. are marketing gimmicks, which would be tolerable if they were competent.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    The Mariner ownership group treats the team as a business investment instead of what championship owners view their team as ... the rich person version of a dick measuring contest.

    Think about it this way, go throughout the history of the game and find me the number of teams that can boast this kind of talent in their organization at one time:

    CF who is in the prime of their career that is arguably a Top 5 CF in the history of the game

    LH SP who will end his career as no worse than a Top 3 LHP in the history of the game

    DH who would be on a short list of names as the best right-handed hitter of his generation

    SS on the verge of reaching the majors who while later in his career will be found out a PED abuser, it could not be debated that even if he wasn't insecure to the point that he took PEDs would be viewed as no worse than a Top 3 or 5 SS to ever play the game

    RF who had 7 straight seasons in his career hitting 20+ HR and it would have been 7 with 25+ if not for the 1994 strike shortened season

    1B who in his career had 9 20+ HR seasons and 6 100+ RBI seasons in his career

    You go ask any reasonable baseball executive and say that they'd be given that as a starting point for a franchise and they'd consider themselves the luckiest person in the world. Instead, the Mariners fuck it up by either making bad trades or being too cheap to round out the roster with the proper support to contend for championships.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    I remember coming to the conclusion about ten years ago that winning wasn't a priority at all. It was actually July 31st, 2003. They needed to make some kind of trade to put them over the top and the Jap or Lincoln Log refused to do it by the deadline. For all the smartasses (Boobs) out there, yeah, it wasn't a surprise. It was more of a confirmation.

    They kind of shoot for winning 85 gaymes, and if they overachieve and win 92, the fanbase willl eat that up, especially when it means postseason. They know how stupid most of them are.

    All the faggot ass airplane games, hydroplanes, kiss cams, pink Felix Court shirts, kiddie games, rally fries, Moose, grounds crew dances, and commercials etc. are marketing gimmicks, which would be tolerable if they were competent.

    We were joking about Marinerization of Husky Football in 2003, if not sooner.
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,899 Standard Supporter
    Yeah from 2003-2013, it was Marinerization for Husky Football. Woodward took the first against that by hiring a great coach who has the cattle and not just the hat.

  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    Yeah from 2003-2013, it was Marinerization for Husky Football. Woodward took the first against that by hiring a great coach who has the cattle and not just the hat.

    It still is Marinerization.

    See THE ZONE for details.
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