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WSJ: Who's paying what in taxes

GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,495 Standard Supporter
Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax
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The data comes from estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, a Washington-based research group, as Internal Revenue Service data for 2014 won’t be available for at least two years. Unlike IRS data, it includes information about nonfilers—both people who didn’t need to file and people who should have filed but didn’t. The total also includes Americans living overseas and others, which is why it is greater than the U.S. Census estimate of 319 million.

Another important difference: The income cited on the table includes untaxed amounts for employer-provided health coverage, tax-exempt interest and retirement-plan contributions and growth, among other things. This can be significant.
On average, such benefits double the income of people in the bottom quintile and add more than 25% to the income of people in the top quintile, says Roberton Williams, an income-tax specialist at the Tax Policy Center. That means a taxpayer whose stated pay is $130,000 might be reaping another $35,000 annually in untaxed income.

“Most people focus on the income they see in their paychecks or portfolios and forget about untaxed benefits they receive,” Mr. Williams says.

The tables show just how progressive the income tax is. The three million people in the top 1% of earners pay nearly half the income tax.

Why is the share of income taxes negative for 40% of Americans? In recent decades Congress has chosen to funnel important benefits for lower-income earners through the income tax rather than other channels. Some of these benefits, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit and the American Opportunity Credit for education, make cash payments to people who don’t owe income tax.

People receiving such payments do pay other federal taxes, of course, such as those for Social Security and Medicare. If these taxes are included, the share of federal taxes paid by the lowest two quintiles turns positive.
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  • Citrus4TroogsCitrus4Troogs Member Posts: 248
    The WSJ should factor in the regressive Lottery Ticket Stupidity Tax as well.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    I'm rich bitch.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,892 Standard Supporter

    Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax
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    The data comes from estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, a Washington-based research group, as Internal Revenue Service data for 2014 won’t be available for at least two years. Unlike IRS data, it includes information about nonfilers—both people who didn’t need to file and people who should have filed but didn’t. The total also includes Americans living overseas and others, which is why it is greater than the U.S. Census estimate of 319 million.

    Another important difference: The income cited on the table includes untaxed amounts for employer-provided health coverage, tax-exempt interest and retirement-plan contributions and growth, among other things. This can be significant.
    On average, such benefits double the income of people in the bottom quintile and add more than 25% to the income of people in the top quintile, says Roberton Williams, an income-tax specialist at the Tax Policy Center. That means a taxpayer whose stated pay is $130,000 might be reaping another $35,000 annually in untaxed income.

    “Most people focus on the income they see in their paychecks or portfolios and forget about untaxed benefits they receive,” Mr. Williams says.

    The tables show just how progressive the income tax is. The three million people in the top 1% of earners pay nearly half the income tax.

    Why is the share of income taxes negative for 40% of Americans? In recent decades Congress has chosen to funnel important benefits for lower-income earners through the income tax rather than other channels. Some of these benefits, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit and the American Opportunity Credit for education, make cash payments to people who don’t owe income tax.

    People receiving such payments do pay other federal taxes, of course, such as those for Social Security and Medicare. If these taxes are included, the share of federal taxes paid by the lowest two quintiles turns positive.
    God that's depressing.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    "People receiving such payments do pay other federal taxes, of course, such as those for Social Security and Medicare. If these taxes are included, the share of federal taxes paid by the lowest two quintiles turns positive."

    I'd like to see this analysis with social security and medicare. Keep in mind, the SS limit is under $120k.
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    edited April 2015
    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,495 Standard Supporter
    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
  • Fire_Marshall_BillFire_Marshall_Bill Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,708 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    "People receiving such payments do pay other federal taxes, of course, such as those for Social Security and Medicare. If these taxes are included, the share of federal taxes paid by the lowest two quintiles turns positive."

    I'd like to see this analysis with social security and medicare. Keep in mind, the SS limit is under $120k.

    How dare you sir. The rich don't need to pay above that cap. They're better than the rest of us. Just ask Chatch.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Hmmm.

    Folks in the bottom quintile are likely spending every dime they earn, which is subject to sales taxes just about everywhere (except Oregon). So that's a marginal rate of about 5% in most localities.

    Folks in the top quintile spend a decreasing portion of their income, as more of their income is turned into savings and investments. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, it just is.

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    So you know, they can park a boat inside their boat.

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  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    edited April 2015

    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
    I was waiting for this!

    Damoneee you are too easy! Get the sand out of your vag and post!
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    AZDuck said:

    Hmmm.

    Folks in the bottom quintile are likely spending every dime they earn, which is subject to sales taxes just about everywhere (except Oregon). So that's a marginal rate of about 5% in most localities.

    Folks in the top quintile spend a decreasing portion of their income, as more of their income is turned into savings and investments. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, it just is.

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    So you know, they can park a boat inside their boat.

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    Not impressed, the second boat seems to be on the small side.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,343 Founders Club
    edited April 2015
    If you hate the rich and successful you'll never be either
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,343 Founders Club
    I had to edit that
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    AZDuck said:

    Hmmm.

    Folks in the bottom quintile are likely spending every dime they earn, which is subject to sales taxes just about everywhere (except Oregon). So that's a marginal rate of about 5% in most localities.

    Folks in the top quintile spend a decreasing portion of their income, as more of their income is turned into savings and investments. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, it just is.

    image

    So you know, they can park a boat inside their boat.

    image

    image
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727

    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
    It is a legitimate concern.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    jecornel said:

    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
    I was waiting for this!

    Damoneee you are too easy! Get the sand out of your vag and post!
    Amazing what happens when you look at percentages and not dollars. The rich aren't punished as much as it appears.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,560 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    jecornel said:

    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
    I was waiting for this!

    Damoneee you are too easy! Get the sand out of your vag and post!
    Amazing what happens when you look at percentages and not dollars. The rich aren't punished as much as it appears.
    Please to be explaining what punishment they deserve for giving your broke ass a job?
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    remember, most of the rest of the world thinks you're rich and undeserving of a 15 year old atv.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited April 2015
    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    jecornel said:

    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
    I was waiting for this!

    Damoneee you are too easy! Get the sand out of your vag and post!
    Amazing what happens when you look at percentages and not dollars. The rich aren't punished as much as it appears.
    Please to be explaining what punishment they deserve for giving your broke ass a job?
    It's called sarcasm. And I'm production, I bring in way more than I cost. No rich person supports me and my 8th grade education.
  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    AZDuck said:

    Hmmm.

    Folks in the bottom quintile are likely spending every dime they earn, which is subject to sales taxes just about everywhere (except Oregon). So that's a marginal rate of about 5% in most localities.

    Folks in the top quintile spend a decreasing portion of their income, as more of their income is turned into savings and investments. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, it just is.

    image

    So you know, they can park a boat inside their boat.

    image

    Shop on ebay.
  • d2dd2d Member Posts: 3,109
    edited April 2015
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    jecornel said:

    jecornel said:

    Small price to pay to live in a great country.

    Soon enough we will be dead and buried without having to deal with the burden of taxes or assholes on HH!!!!

    Be sure to download the new death clock app... it tells tells you when you are going to die...so then you calculate when you no longer have to hand over your cash to the guvmint.

    I'm worried more about the sun engulfing the earth.
    I was waiting for this!

    Damoneee you are too easy! Get the sand out of your vag and post!
    Amazing what happens when you look at percentages and not dollars. The rich aren't punished as much as it appears.
    Please to be explaining what punishment they deserve for giving your broke ass a job?
    It's called sarcasm. And I'm production, I bring in way more than I cost. No rich person supports me and my 8th grade education.
    racist.
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