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Unions Part Deux

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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    It wasn't the typo

    There was multiple typos. Fuck you are stupid.
  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    topdawgnc said:

    WSJ had an editorial today on unions.

    Fastest growing unions are in federal and state government.

    Unions are declining in every other sector.

    Overall unions are down to 11.4% of the population.

    Do we really need the union protecting our federal government employees from being over worked?

    I remember hearing/reading back in high school or college, or maybe I made it up, unions prevented America from transforming to a communist or heavy socialist slant. Gave the workers a voice and allowed a balance that prevented an uprising.

    Unions served a purpose, they provided a voice for the working man. But, no longer needed. Laws have changed, automation has become more advanced ... just not needed.

    We certainly don't need public sector unions ....

    Some good points made toppy, but saying we dont need unions anymore in concerning.

    im a fan of firing every government worker possible, and too feel public sector unionization is pathetic.

    However, as EX tried but so uneloquently put, private sector unionization is as necessary today as ever. Unions are declining at a rapid pace, and as more states are becoming right-to-work, the prospects become more bleak. However, without unions the very same reasons for unionizing in the 1st place will rear their ugly heads again.

    Forget automation. Many blue collar union jobs can never be automated. Unions protect top wages and top benefits, even EX knows that. However the little things involved with the workers' circumstances ie.. , the specifics surrounding conditions, safety,
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838

    topdawgnc said:

    WSJ had an editorial today on unions.

    Fastest growing unions are in federal and state government.

    Unions are declining in every other sector.

    Overall unions are down to 11.4% of the population.

    Do we really need the union protecting our federal government employees from being over worked?

    I remember hearing/reading back in high school or college, or maybe I made it up, unions prevented America from transforming to a communist or heavy socialist slant. Gave the workers a voice and allowed a balance that prevented an uprising.

    Unions served a purpose, they provided a voice for the working man. But, no longer needed. Laws have changed, automation has become more advanced ... just not needed.

    We certainly don't need public sector unions ....

    Some good points made toppy, but saying we dont need unions anymore in concerning.

    im a fan of firing every government worker possible, and too feel public sector unionization is pathetic.

    However, as EX tried but so uneloquently put, private sector unionization is as necessary today as ever. Unions are declining at a rapid pace, and as more states are becoming right-to-work, the prospects become more bleak. However, without unions the very same reasons for unionizing in the 1st place will rear their ugly heads again.

    Forget automation. Many blue collar union jobs can never be automated. Unions protect top wages and top benefits, even EX knows that. However the little things involved with the workers' circumstances ie.. , the specifics surrounding conditions, safety,
    What part of the unions are needed?

    Somebody mentioned 14 year old kids working noon to night. Would you let your kid work like that? I wouldn't. And there are laws to prevent it, and along with those laws come social norms.

    Where are unions needed? China. Where companies like Nike are exploiting to the degree you and others are worried about.

    As The Race Bannon points out ... funny that Duck supporters are so pro union.

    End of day, unions are no different than corporations. Their product is labor. They have a CEO, a CFO, VP's etc ... difference is ... as Husky stated ... people can't choose not to pay. It's like Target getting a guaranteed cut of everyone's pay check who lives in a 5 mile radius of their store. As a trade off you get a discount on food, but you still have to pay for it.

    You know why retail workers never unionized ... no money. If WalMart employees unionized WalMart would go out of business. Instead unions manipulate McDonalds and WalMart workers to believe they can unionize and the minimum wage gets driven up, which allows for stronger negotiation to the companies who can afford it ... Boeing, government, and Ford.
  • doogsinparadisedoogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320

    topdawgnc said:

    WSJ had an editorial today on unions.

    Fastest growing unions are in federal and state government.

    Unions are declining in every other sector.

    Overall unions are down to 11.4% of the population.

    Do we really need the union protecting our federal government employees from being over worked?

    I remember hearing/reading back in high school or college, or maybe I made it up, unions prevented America from transforming to a communist or heavy socialist slant. Gave the workers a voice and allowed a balance that prevented an uprising.

    Unions served a purpose, they provided a voice for the working man. But, no longer needed. Laws have changed, automation has become more advanced ... just not needed.

    We certainly don't need public sector unions ....

    Some good points made toppy, but saying we dont need unions anymore in concerning.

    im a fan of firing every government worker possible, and too feel public sector unionization is pathetic.

    However, as EX tried but so uneloquently put, private sector unionization is as necessary today as ever. Unions are declining at a rapid pace, and as more states are becoming right-to-work, the prospects become more bleak. However, without unions the very same reasons for unionizing in the 1st place will rear their ugly heads again.

    Forget automation. Many blue collar union jobs can never be automated. Unions protect top wages and top benefits, even EX knows that. However the little things involved with the workers' circumstances ie.. , the specifics surrounding conditions, safety,
    Amazing, but the blind squirrel sometimes finds the nut.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    topdawgnc said:

    WSJ had an editorial today on unions.

    Fastest growing unions are in federal and state government.

    Unions are declining in every other sector.

    Overall unions are down to 11.4% of the population.

    Do we really need the union protecting our federal government employees from being over worked?

    I remember hearing/reading back in high school or college, or maybe I made it up, unions prevented America from transforming to a communist or heavy socialist slant. Gave the workers a voice and allowed a balance that prevented an uprising.

    Unions served a purpose, they provided a voice for the working man. But, no longer needed. Laws have changed, automation has become more advanced ... just not needed.

    We certainly don't need public sector unions ....

    Some good points made toppy, but saying we dont need unions anymore in concerning.

    im a fan of firing every government worker possible, and too feel public sector unionization is pathetic.

    However, as EX tried but so uneloquently put, private sector unionization is as necessary today as ever. Unions are declining at a rapid pace, and as more states are becoming right-to-work, the prospects become more bleak. However, without unions the very same reasons for unionizing in the 1st place will rear their ugly heads again.

    Forget automation. Many blue collar union jobs can never be automated. Unions protect top wages and top benefits, even EX knows that. However the little things involved with the workers' circumstances ie.. , the specifics surrounding conditions, safety,
    Amazing, but the blind squirrel sometimes finds the nut.
    Poast of the day.
  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    edited January 2015
    ...job description, pay for hours worked, a vote, a voice without fear of repercussion etc.... Unions are very different one to another. Blanketing them all Toppy isnt fair.

    The biggest problem is that union members take the cash and go. They dont get involved, they dont vote, voice anything or stick to the contract. That's why they break down. Members have themselves to blame if they hate their respective union.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    ...job description, pay for hours worked, a vote, a voice without fear of repercussion etc.... Unions are very different one to another. Blanketing them all Toppy isnt fair.

    Someone's getting their ass kicked.
  • topdawgnctopdawgnc Member Posts: 7,838

    ...job description, pay for hours worked, a vote, a voice without fear of repercussion etc.... Unions are very different one to another. Blanketing them all Toppy isnt fair.

    The biggest problem is that union members take the cash and go. They dont get involved, they dont vote, voice anything or stick to the contract. That's why they break down. Members have themselves to blame if they hate their respective union.

    Job description, I have one ... all my colleagues have one ... need a union to tell you what your job description is? Pay for hours worked ... I get a pay check, I think everyone on here does. If you are not getting paid for hours worked there are laws ... and companies pay fines when it is not adhered to. Vote ... what do we need to vote on? A voice without fear of repercussion ... unless it is against the union ... right.

    Unions are corporations. They need members to survive. And if they can't get members they change the law to force members to join.

    America is voting everyday ... unions are a relic of the past.

    If people think the sweat shops will come back, then unions will again rise up ... some on here are realist and know laws and current standards prevent that.
  • puppylove_sugarsteelpuppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    edited January 2015
    If you think unions are a thing of the past in Washington, youre fucked in the head. a voice and a vote are what protects them. If employees dont utilize this most-important right, then unions will die. But it aint happenin anytime soon.

    In right-to-work states why is union representation so high toppy?

    And dont give me the "unions are corps and all they want is your money"..its so trite and water is wet. With that comes economic stability and the "vote and voice". You think a v and v doesnt matter? Check with a certain air plane manufacturer up north. You think that union is on the way out? Or the ports, utilies, the teamsters, railroad?

    let the nursing and teachers union die. Those job-scared cowards DONT utilize their most important rights, so your argument is 1/64th correct.

    And yes dipfuck, non-unionized workers DONT GET THEIR CUNTS PAID for hours worked. Thats a primary reason people unionized,and applies now more than ever. Heres an example toppy..."hey Fred, do you mind coming in a little early tomorrow or stay a little late tonight, say 20 minutes?"

    Unions protect a worker from going outside their job descriptions dummy. Cuts down on injuries and other work-related safety matters, company fines, and disability claims... among many other reasons.

    Against repercussions from Company.

    workers vote everyday? WTF are you flapping about. Workers vote on contracts ie. Wages, retirement, and a laundry list of benefits, etfuckingc...

    did I leave anything out ignoramus?
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    If you think unions are a thing of the past in Washington, youre fucked in the head. a voice and a vote are what protects them. If employees dont utilize this most-important right, then unions will die. But it aint happenin anytime soon.

    In right-to-work states why is union representation so high toppy?

    And dont give me the "unions are corps and all they want is your money"..its so trite and water is wet. With that comes economic stability and the "vote and voice". You think a v and v doesnt matter? Check with a certain air plane manufacturer up north. You think that union is on the way out? Or the ports, utilies, the teamsters, railroad?

    let the nursing and teachers union die. Those job-scared cowards DONT utilize their most important rights, so your argument is 1/64th correct.

    And yes dipfuck, non-unionized workers DONT GET THEIR CUNTS PAID for hours worked. Thats a primary reason people unionized,and applies now more than ever. Heres an example toppy..."hey Fred, do you mind coming in a little early tomorrow or stay a little late tonight, say 20 minutes?"

    Unions protect a worker from going outside their job descriptions dummy. Cuts down on injuries and other work-related safety matters, company fines, and disability claims... among many other reasons.

    Against repercussions from Company.

    workers vote everyday? WTF are you flapping about. Workers vote on contracts ie. Wages, retirement, and a laundry list of benefits, etfuckingc...

    did I leave anything out ignoramus?

    Yes.

    You missed these facts: The rate of union membership has been on a steady decline over the past three decades. It grew slightly from 12.1 percent in 2007 to 12.4 percent in 2008. During President Obama’s first year in office, however, it fell once more.


    and

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the rate of union membership for public-sector workers last year was 35.7 percent, compared to just 6.6 percent for the private sector.


  • BlackieBlackie Member Posts: 499
    Unions are generally unnecessary in America today, given the current state of employment law.

    But I'll continue to support people's right to align with like-minded individuals in an effort to collectively bargain if that is what they want to do.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    take this to the #succinctandrational bored
    Blackie said:

    Unions are generally unnecessary in America today, given the current state of employment law.

    But I'll continue to support people's right to align with like-minded individuals in an effort to collectively bargain if that is what they want to do.

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