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Sorry it was game 6 to force game 7
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Might be time for you to sit this one out ...RaceBannon said:Sorry it was game 6 to force game 7
Kareem scored 14 points in Game 6 by going 3 of 14 from the field. You probably are recalling the fact that he made free throws down the stretch after some questionable calls on Laimbeer.
By this point of his career, you could argue that Kareem was as much a hindrance to the Lakers as an asset because they played through the Captain far more than they should have.
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Some free throws = the game winners
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The answer about LeBron is in the middle, but more towards Tequilla. Tequilla is kind of a hater and Race is a LeBron stan.
Anything about the Heat not being good is stupid. A hobbled Wade still averaged 20 shooting over 50%. Chris Bosh is an All Star. Four trips to the Finals and two championships is good stuff though. The first trip not resulting in a title falls squarely on LeBron.
I agree that the Cavs sucked when they made the Finals with LeBron, but who gives a shit? The rest of the East sucked and they were swept in the Finals.
LeBron is a great player, but he's also a product of AAU ball. He's friends with everyone and he's not as cutthroat as many NBA greats. I also don't think he makes his teammates so much better like many believe. -
So did I - I remember exactly where I was watching it as well. When you're 9 and you see what Isaiah did in that game, it's the kind of thing you don't forget.RaceBannon said:Some free throws = the game winners
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Good not great.RoadDawg55 said:The answer about LeBron is in the middle, but more towards Tequilla. Tequilla is kind of a hater and Race is a LeBron stan.
Anything about the Heat not being good is stupid. A hobbled Wade still averaged 20 shooting over 50%. Chris Bosh is an All Star. Four trips to the Finals and two championships is good stuff though. The first trip not resulting in a title falls squarely on LeBron.
I agree that the Cavs sucked when they made the Finals with LeBron, but who gives a shit? The rest of the East sucked and they were swept in the Finals.
LeBron is a great player, but he's also a product of AAU ball. He's friends with everyone and he's not as cutthroat as many NBA greats. I also don't think he makes his teammates so much better like many believe.
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In fairness, I think LBJ is a great player. Where my hating starts is when people want to crown him and think that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. He repeatedly proves to me that he isn't the kind of player that you see littered in the Top 5-10 to ever play the game. He's more in the Top 8-15 range which is reserved for the greats of the game ... not the top 5 to 8 which is reserved more for those that are in the legendary all-time great listing.RoadDawg55 said:The answer about LeBron is in the middle, but more towards Tequilla. Tequilla is kind of a hater and Race is a LeBron stan.
The other thing that bothers me with LBJ is that so many of his advantages are driven as much because of genetics as anything else. He's got good skills but I never have felt like he's completely maximized the skillset that he could have. You make a really good point about the AAU world ... LBJ is definitely not the cold blooded killer that so many of the greats in the history of the game were. Jordan would kill anybody to win. Russell was the ultimate winner. Magic killed you with a smile as he ran you up and down the court ... but his drive to win was unquestioned. Bird raised his game time after time in difficult spots. Kareem is a little bit of an outlier to me on this list as his record was a little spotty but his dominance is unquestioned. Even getting outside of that list you start getting to guys like Kobe and Duncan who lived for winning (albeit in different manners). Kobe's cold bloodness is modeled after Jordan. Duncan may be one of the best teammates in the history of the game. And like Kareem, Wilt was such a unique player that his dominance was unquestioned. To me, LBJ isn't in the category of any of those guys.
Speaking of which, was very interesting to watch Kobe's performance last night. His ability to manipulate the court and make his teammates better was amusing to watch. -
Race,
The game has changed. Those Heat teams were very good. I wouldn't call them great. But they were definitely the best team in their conference during that period with minimal challengers in Boston and Indiana.
That being said, if you assume that Bosh turns into a HOF player, which I think that there's a good chance that he will, you are looking at a team that had 2 HOF players in their prime and even if you say that Wade wasn't, he wasn't that far off of his prime and like James is a sure fire HOF player. And for 2 of those runs to the Finals, the Heat also had a 4th HOF player in Ray Allen.
The reason those Heat teams aren't viewed more favorably when you consider the all-time great teams was because you never got the feeling watching them that they were maximizing their abilities.
When you look at teams that have had 3 HOF players in their prime, normally they are a juggernaut that blows through the opposition. You never got the feeling with the Heat that they were that team. In hindsight, they were extremely lucky to win their 2nd title against the Spurs. The only title where you really felt like they were operating at a high level was when they beat an OKC team that was more or less a less experienced version of themselves. The reality is that the shot Ray Allen hit to get them into OT and ultimately win that Game 6 is a shot that he makes maybe 25% of the time in that situation. Almost EVERYTHING had to go right for them to win that game. It's not that far fetched to see LBJ as being 1-4 in trips to the Finals ... which isn't a record that any all-time great in the history of the game can throw out there as a sign of their greatness. -
Sounds like you agree with me. Good not great. Everything else is just fluff.
The reality is he has 2 of 5
