Oregon still has to beat Finland for the Gold Medal.
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There is far more population in California than the south. And Oregon has the advantage of being the only Pac 12 program that gives a shit about REAL footballAZDuck said:
There areRaceBannon said:Bama has 7 straight 10 win seasons and 3 titles. And a Hesiman
125124 (RIP, UAB) teams in CFB. Am okay with having the second best record over the past 7 years. Will match them if we win. That's pretty fucking badass.
Unlike Bama, Oregon isn't in the middle of a recruiting hotbed with a 102,000 seat stadium and an entire TV network devoted to fellating it either.
Don't blame the SEC for not being women's tennis fucking stupid about the TV contract and network. Leave that to the doogs -
Even with all our bells and whistles, there are places where kids are going to choose USC (and sometimes UCLA) no matter what. We still get out-recruited by those schools, even though their ADs are FS and won't invest in facilities or hire Steve Sarkisian. It's an issue we have to overcome that Bama does not. That's all. Your poont regarding the TV nets is well taken.
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Oh, and if you look at states based on NFL production per 100,000 the most talent-rich state is Louisiana, followed by Texas and Florida. Alabama is like 4th or 5th. California is a few notches down. Something about quick-twitch muscles and Afro-American-ness.
Edit - Texas is lower than I thought. Most be all those Hispano-Americans moving in
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AZDuck said:
Even with all our bells and whistles, there are places where kids are going to choose USC (and sometimes UCLA) no matter what. We still get out-recruited by those schools, even though their ADs are FS and won't invest in facilities or hire Steve Sarkisian. It's an issue we have to overcome that Bama does not. That's all. Your poont regarding the TV nets is well taken.
This.
Oregon is USC hiring a good coach away from being greatly minimized. Doogs love Don James, but USC made the same number Rose Bowels as UW during his 18 years.
USC has 11 Natties (ILTCTN), Bama has 14. Whenever they have a good coach everyone else in their conference is playing for second.
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You also have all the SEC, ACC, and B1G teams looking to the south. Sure Oregon loses some guys to USC and UCLA, but as we used to know at UW, being third gets you all you need to win big
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LOL at North Dakota.AZDuck said:Oh, and if you look at states based on NFL production per 100,000 the most talent-rich state is Louisiana, followed by Texas and Florida. Alabama is like 4th or 5th. California is a few notches down. Something about quick-twitch muscles and Afro-American-ness.
Edit - Texas is lower than I thought. Most be all those Hispano-Americans moving in -
If you don't see that UW and USC having the same number of Rose Bowls over two decades is the shit I can't help you.Mosster47 said:AZDuck said:Even with all our bells and whistles, there are places where kids are going to choose USC (and sometimes UCLA) no matter what. We still get out-recruited by those schools, even though their ADs are FS and won't invest in facilities or hire Steve Sarkisian. It's an issue we have to overcome that Bama does not. That's all. Your poont regarding the TV nets is well taken.
This.
Oregon is USC hiring a good coach away from being greatly minimized. Doogs love Don James, but USC made the same number Rose Bowels as UW during his 18 years.
USC has 11 Natties (ILTCTN), Bama has 14. Whenever they have a good coach everyone else in their conference is playing for second.
Oregon is trying to do that and coming close. You other point is Ron Fairly obvious. USC reeled off 6 conference titles and two natties the first decade of this century
Oregon in third position keeps them a power for years to come. It's like when UW got Brunell after USC took Marinovich and UCLA took Brett Johnson. -
RaceBannon said:
If you don't see that UW and USC having the same number of Rose Bowls over two decades is the shit I can't help you.Mosster47 said:AZDuck said:Even with all our bells and whistles, there are places where kids are going to choose USC (and sometimes UCLA) no matter what. We still get out-recruited by those schools, even though their ADs are FS and won't invest in facilities or hire Steve Sarkisian. It's an issue we have to overcome that Bama does not. That's all. Your poont regarding the TV nets is well taken.
This.
Oregon is USC hiring a good coach away from being greatly minimized. Doogs love Don James, but USC made the same number Rose Bowels as UW during his 18 years.
USC has 11 Natties (ILTCTN), Bama has 14. Whenever they have a good coach everyone else in their conference is playing for second.
Oregon is trying to do that and coming close. You other point is Ron Fairly obvious. USC reeled off 6 conference titles and two natties the first decade of this century
Oregon in third position keeps them a power for years to come. It's like when UW got Brunell after USC took Marinovich and UCLA took Brett Johnson.
SoCal, The Bay, Seattle, and Phoenix are broken into three kinds of kids. 1. Kids who want to stay home and win, 2. Kids who want to stay home, 3. Kids who want to win.
USC gets all of #1. UCLA, Cal, UW and ASU get all of #2. Oregon gets #3.
When USC isn't serious Oregon gets some of #1, but when they do it's a ridiculous event ie. Can Colvin, DAT, etc.
Oregon beats the fuck out of #2 because winners win. Anyone can do what UW, Colorado, Nebraska, and Oregon have done/are doing but most will never make the commitment to be a winner long term. UW, Colorado, and Nebraska are all mediocre to awful because of their own doing not because James, McCarthy, and Osbourn retired.
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RaceBannon said:
NoAZDuck said:Sven, your goalpoast-moving in the last 24 hours has been admirable.
It seems to be based on a few fallacies:
(1) X Conference sucks. So what? Teams win, not conferences.
(2) College football sucks. No it doesn't. Even if I didn't care about Oregon, this has been one of the best and most entertaining football seasons I can remember. You can watch Barca or Arsenal if you like stockpiled talent.
(3) "Find me a better conference division than the SEC West" Who cares? The SEC did this with their SECSECSEC hype, Paul fucking Finebaum, and ESECPN Network. Three SEC West teams were in the first final four rankings from the committee. They all deserve to eat some crow for falling on their faces on the big stage. I'm a Duck fan, I've seen us fail on the big stage, and we took our lumps. The vaunted SEC-W deserves some now. They may actually still be the strongest division in CFB (the games aren't over yet) but they failed when it mattered.
I get what you're trying to do here. This is the poasting that launched some great memes "win a RB and pop off" and all that. It's got to be maddening for you. Because Oregon has actually been achieiving the ever-moving goal poast and popping off, as is their right. Even if Oregon loses the natty, this would already be a season for the record books for any team: Heisman, conference champs, destroyed the only team that beat them in a rematch, plungered the defending national champs/Heisman winner/29-game winning streak, 2d Rose Bowl win in four years, 7th straight 10+ win season.
Ultimately, when I sober up I'm going to look at each division in CFB on a FBS wins-per-team basis. That metric will tell me where the toughest league is.
You were on a roll but that blew it
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Good one!salemcoog said:RaceBannon said:
NoAZDuck said:Sven, your goalpoast-moving in the last 24 hours has been admirable.
It seems to be based on a few fallacies:
(1) X Conference sucks. So what? Teams win, not conferences.
(2) College football sucks. No it doesn't. Even if I didn't care about Oregon, this has been one of the best and most entertaining football seasons I can remember. You can watch Barca or Arsenal if you like stockpiled talent.
(3) "Find me a better conference division than the SEC West" Who cares? The SEC did this with their SECSECSEC hype, Paul fucking Finebaum, and ESECPN Network. Three SEC West teams were in the first final four rankings from the committee. They all deserve to eat some crow for falling on their faces on the big stage. I'm a Duck fan, I've seen us fail on the big stage, and we took our lumps. The vaunted SEC-W deserves some now. They may actually still be the strongest division in CFB (the games aren't over yet) but they failed when it mattered.
I get what you're trying to do here. This is the poasting that launched some great memes "win a RB and pop off" and all that. It's got to be maddening for you. Because Oregon has actually been achieiving the ever-moving goal poast and popping off, as is their right. Even if Oregon loses the natty, this would already be a season for the record books for any team: Heisman, conference champs, destroyed the only team that beat them in a rematch, plungered the defending national champs/Heisman winner/29-game winning streak, 2d Rose Bowl win in four years, 7th straight 10+ win season.
Ultimately, when I sober up I'm going to look at each division in CFB on a FBS wins-per-team basis. That metric will tell me where the toughest league is.
You were on a roll but that blew it
I know. The correct play would have been even "if we don't win half the national championship..."
