JJ

CuntWaffle

I think he gets a little too much shit for the hype that faggy jeans brought onto him which isnt his fault.

He was in foul trouble last night but when he was on the floor he was clearly disrupting passing lanes and playing really good defense. He is also pretty good on the offensive glass, the team suffers immensly in that category when he isn't on the floor. He was also a big reason they beat Oklahoma on Saturday.

I'm not trying to say he is anything more than a fairly average P12 player, but he does add an element to the team and is far from useless.

Doogles

I ripped him after Grambling (I know, ILTDT) but he has shown some steady improvement the past two games. Sometimes I need to remind myself that if a pro like D.Rose takes a year to get the rust off after ACL, maybe a college kid might need to have a month or so to have confidence to move again.

ThomasFremont

He may never develop into anything but a big body that plays defense and has a very narrow offensive repertoire. But tbh, teams need a few guys like that. Romar's best teams have always relied on guards for the majority of the scoring anyways. I don't expect anything from him at this point. But if he comes out next year with the ACL injury totally behind him and is dramatically improved, I wouldn't be that surprised.

CuntWaffle

I feel he just gets an extra amount of shit flipped towards him because of something Kim GrinoldsFS said.

BayDawg

CuntWaffle said:

I feel he just gets an extra amount of shit flipped towards him because of something Kim GrinoldsFS said.

Do i dare ask what skinny jeansFS said?

CuntWaffle

BayDawg said:

CuntWaffle said:

I feel he just gets an extra amount of shit flipped towards him because of something Kim GrinoldsFS said.

Do i dare ask what skinny jeansFS said?

Kevin Durant comparison.

HuskyHalfBrain

JJ is JJ.

FYFMFE.

BayDawg

CuntWaffle said:

BayDawg said:

CuntWaffle said:

I feel he just gets an extra amount of shit flipped towards him because of something Kim GrinoldsFS said.

Do i dare ask what skinny jeansFS said?

Kevin Durant comparison.

Lol.

In chat? After 3 bottles of 2-buck chuck?

FreeChavez

JJ is not going to be back to normal for him until next season. Everyone who has the ACL surgery says the same thing. You "can" play after 9 months, but you don't fully get everything back until almost 2 years. Much of that is likely confidence.

Either way, if JJ can do what he does, IE hit that 15 footer, it will open up the whole middle for upshaw and the guards. It keeps people from sucking down to help when someone can nail that jumper from the key. It's no wonder that when JJ starting hitting his jumper how much better upshaw has been in the post.

JJ needs to rebound, play defense and hit the 15 ft shot at the top of the key and it will continue to do wonders for this team.

RoadDawg55

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

ThomasFremont

RoadDawg55 said:

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

Nobody took issue with that.

It was you saying he was way better than Gant that was incorrect.

RoadDawg55

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

Nobody took issue with that.

It was you saying he was way better than Gant that was incorrect.

He might be. Time will tell.

ThomasFremont

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

Nobody took issue with that.

It was you saying he was way better than Gant that was incorrect.

He might be. Time will tell.

So we should let it play out?

dnc

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

Nobody took issue with that.

It was you saying he was way better than Gant that was incorrect.

He might be. Time will tell.

So we should let it play out?

TSIO

GreenRiverGatorz

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

Nobody took issue with that.

It was you saying he was way better than Gant that was incorrect.

At this point in their respective careers, he is better than Gant. And that doesn't even account for the fact that Gant was never coming off of an ACL tear.

HuskyHalfBrain

GreenRiverGatorz said:

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

If only someone on this board had previously said JJ was a decent role player.

Nobody took issue with that.

It was you saying he was way better than Gant that was incorrect.

At this point in their respective careers, he is better than Gant. And that doesn't even account for the fact that Gant was never coming off of an ACL tear.

JJ is slightly better than what Gant was in his third year but that's really not saying much.

He makes a few nice passes but for someone who was a guard in high school, the guy's got butter fingers.

Watching other bench players play, I get why JJ gets the minutes he's getting this year.

This team is a disaster without NWG.

BayDawg

They are probably similar players. Both were ok shooters, soft as a babys bottom around the hoop, pretty versatile on defense.

Maybe I just dont remember very well because Ive pickled my brain but Gant just seemed like he was an explosive jumper. JJ seems like he has ankle weights on alot of the time.


Both can be important parts of a good team, as long as they arent asked to do things they arent capable of, ie Gant taking the 3 pointer at the buzzer against Cal a few years back. Still cant believe that was the play we drew up that night...

ThomasFremont

BayDawg said:

They are probably similar players. Both were ok shooters, soft as a babys bottom around the hoop, pretty versatile on defense.

Maybe I just dont remember very well because Ive pickled my brain but Gant just seemed like he was an explosive jumper. JJ seems like he has ankle weights on alot of the time.


Both can be important parts of a good team, as long as they arent asked to do things they arent capable of, ie Gant taking the 3 pointer at the buzzer against Cal a few years back. Still cant believe that was the play we drew up that night...

THIS

Gant was money with the base line jumper.

And an amazing defender.

JJ doesnt have a signature/go to move yet. And he's not as good on defense.

Gant was an explosive jumper. He ran the floor well and finished a lot of easy dunks as a result.

I'm too lazy to look at their block numbers, but Gant definitely made more difficult blocks (against fast breaks) whereas JJ's height advantage allows him to just stick his arms straight up and alter shots.

To me Gant's biggest strength is that he knew his role on a championship caliber team. JJ doesn't yet.

RoadDawg could be right if JJ improves a lot next year. But at this point, Gant had a better career.

HuskyHalfBrain

ThomasFremont said:

BayDawg said:

They are probably similar players. Both were ok shooters, soft as a babys bottom around the hoop, pretty versatile on defense.

Maybe I just dont remember very well because Ive pickled my brain but Gant just seemed like he was an explosive jumper. JJ seems like he has ankle weights on alot of the time.


Both can be important parts of a good team, as long as they arent asked to do things they arent capable of, ie Gant taking the 3 pointer at the buzzer against Cal a few years back. Still cant believe that was the play we drew up that night...

THIS

Gant was money with the base line jumper.

And an amazing defender.

JJ doesnt have a signature/go to move yet. And he's not as good on defense.

Gant was an explosive jumper. He ran the floor well and finished a lot of easy dunks as a result.

I'm too lazy to look at their block numbers, but Gant definitely made more difficult blocks (against fast breaks) whereas JJ's height advantage allows him to just stick his arms straight up and alter shots.

To me Gant's biggest strength is that he knew his role on a championship caliber team. JJ doesn't yet.

RoadDawg could be right if JJ improves a lot next year. But at this point, Gant had a better career.

Only in his final year.

Gant wanted to be a scorer that he wasn't but he definitely played better than what stat sheet shows.

As for JJ, he does have better blocking numbers than Gant although not as flashy.

Both are similar type of players in terms of physical attributes yet different playing style on the court.

To me, if JJ can constantly play the way he did the last two games with Gant's energy, I'll be a very happy man.

Gant has won two PAC championships and three NCAA tourney appearances in Husky career, that alone separates him from JJ and his accomplishments if there's any.

HuskyInAZ

I agree with most of this, but defining Gant by the success of his team is a stretch. He was always a role player, the 4th option at best on offense.

JJ will never play in the NBA, nor did Gant. But they both have/had their roles. I'm encouraged by JJ's performance vs. Tulsa. He did have a nice feel for the game and played defense. The previous game, though, he was horrible.

The biggest issue on the team this year is the play at SG. Andrews is lazy on defense and makes too may mistakes on offense. Assist to turnover ratio at 1:1, and the vast majority of those turnovers are not forced. It appears that his confidence is writing checks his play can't cash. Contrast that with DJ, who plays with little to no confidence.

RoadDawg55

ThomasFremont said:

BayDawg said:

They are probably similar players. Both were ok shooters, soft as a babys bottom around the hoop, pretty versatile on defense.

Maybe I just dont remember very well because Ive pickled my brain but Gant just seemed like he was an explosive jumper. JJ seems like he has ankle weights on alot of the time.


Both can be important parts of a good team, as long as they arent asked to do things they arent capable of, ie Gant taking the 3 pointer at the buzzer against Cal a few years back. Still cant believe that was the play we drew up that night...

THIS

Gant was money with the base line jumper.

And an amazing defender.

JJ doesnt have a signature/go to move yet. And he's not as good on defense.

Gant was an explosive jumper. He ran the floor well and finished a lot of easy dunks as a result.

I'm too lazy to look at their block numbers, but Gant definitely made more difficult blocks (against fast breaks) whereas JJ's height advantage allows him to just stick his arms straight up and alter shots.

To me Gant's biggest strength is that he knew his role on a championship caliber team. JJ doesn't yet.

RoadDawg could be right if JJ improves a lot next year. But at this point, Gant had a better career.

Gant did have a better career, but I still think you over value him. He wasn't a great defender. He was a good and willing team defender, but hardly a shut down guy and his lack of size/strength down low hurt at times.

JJ is a much better shot blocker. 1.2 this year so far for JJ. Gant's highest was .5 per game. JJ is rebounding better than Gant ever did too. I bet JJ's block and rebounds keep increasing as his knee gets better.

Both guys are average, but I would take JJ over Gant. Two inches taller, longer wingspan, slightly more skilled (the guard talk was always FS), better shot blocker and rebounder. Gant was a more versatile defender, more explosive, and had more range although JJ has a decent jumper too.