The problem with many of your arguments from my side of the fence is that you're going through the WHOLE NFL and finding one or two examples to show "it works". I'm sure if i wanted to I could find far more converted CB's than WR's who make it.
I do think if he was on oregon right now he would be different, but that only means for oregon. Look at d-thomas. all world at oregon, can't see the field in KC and I wouldn't be shocked if he was off the team in a year or two.
I do care about these guys finding somewhere that benefits UW, but also benefits them for a career. Ross has done almost nothing this year other than provide highlights with penalties. A few could be argued, while others were blatant which sprung him. Everyone can see the talent based on highlights, but I still don't know how he is going to handle that play in and play out.
Lastly, nobody is saying he can't play offense. He can play 10-15 plays of offense and still play d and make a contribution all the time. No clue why he can't be on the field for his few plays now, and then not play any defense to help the team and maybe turn into something. He obviously isn't getting better as a WR right now.
He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.
Not even close? Top five?
ok. I'll give you that I should have thought about Shelton. That's a given. And it may make more sense to go through this based on both sides of the ball ... that is, it doesn't make sense to pick a "best player" on the team, and more sense to ID the best offensive and defensive players (Shaq arguably both??). On the offensive side of the ball, I'd start with Ross. You said yourself that he doesn't have a QB who can find him consistently enough.
But when he gets it, he is as likely to house it as not.
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
Harvin was a first round pick in 2009. So he has been in the league 6 years and has yet to record a 1,000 yard season. Hell he's only had one season with over 900 receiving yards. Never had more than 6 TD's in a season. No one is saying he isn't a dynamic playmaker but at WR he's been a disappointment. Just never developed the skills.
he's used differently than a guy who is a 100%, full time, WR. His touches come in different packages.
Harvin has always been a big-time player. Maybe he isn't a pure WR, but he's pretty good at it.
LIPO with Ross. He's taking a few reps at CB. It doesn't mean he's moving there full time. He played some at CB last year too. We don't have an abundance of options at WR coming back next season. He's only a sophomore. He has plenty of time to get better at WR. I doubt he ever becomes a true #1, but he's a valuable weapon on offense.
Yes, he's moving there full time. Sark had him playing out of position. UW will be better when he learns how much $$$ NFL corners make and allows Peterman to lead him to the promised land.
LIPO with Ross. He's taking a few reps at CB. It doesn't mean he's moving there full time. He played some at CB last year too. We don't have an abundance of options at WR coming back next season. He's only a sophomore. He has plenty of time to get better at WR. I doubt he ever becomes a true #1, but he's a valuable weapon on offense.
Yes, he's moving there full time. Sark had him playing out of position. UW will be better when he learns how much $$$ NFL corners make and allows Peterman to lead him to the promised land.
He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.
He's close. Two weeks ago he would have made the list.
1. Shaq 2. Kikaha 3. Shelton 4. Peters 5-10 in some order: A. Hudson, Baker, Timu, Ross, Hatchie?
If Hatchie is one of the top-10 best players on the team, UW is fucked.
Hatchie's only attribute is he's always the first guy to help the QB back up after he gets beat for a sack/hit/pressure.
I don't think he's bad. The coaches have talked him up this season. It seems to me that pressure normally comes from the right this season. Hatchie and Charles are the best OL on the team.
OL is tough to judge because one or two guys fucking up makes the whole group look bad. Atoe and Shelton aren't very good and Tanigawa isn't much better.
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Hatchie's only attribute is he's always the first guy to help the QB back up after he gets beat for a sack/hit/pressure.
I do think if he was on oregon right now he would be different, but that only means for oregon. Look at d-thomas. all world at oregon, can't see the field in KC and I wouldn't be shocked if he was off the team in a year or two.
I do care about these guys finding somewhere that benefits UW, but also benefits them for a career. Ross has done almost nothing this year other than provide highlights with penalties. A few could be argued, while others were blatant which sprung him. Everyone can see the talent based on highlights, but I still don't know how he is going to handle that play in and play out.
Lastly, nobody is saying he can't play offense. He can play 10-15 plays of offense and still play d and make a contribution all the time. No clue why he can't be on the field for his few plays now, and then not play any defense to help the team and maybe turn into something. He obviously isn't getting better as a WR right now.
ok. I'll give you that I should have thought about Shelton. That's a given. And it may make more sense to go through this based on both sides of the ball ... that is, it doesn't make sense to pick a "best player" on the team, and more sense to ID the best offensive and defensive players (Shaq arguably both??). On the offensive side of the ball, I'd start with Ross. You said yourself that he doesn't have a QB who can find him consistently enough.
But when he gets it, he is as likely to house it as not.
Harvin was a first round pick in 2009. So he has been in the league 6 years and has yet to record a 1,000 yard season. Hell he's only had one season with over 900 receiving yards. Never had more than 6 TD's in a season. No one is saying he isn't a dynamic playmaker but at WR he's been a disappointment. Just never developed the skills.
he's used differently than a guy who is a 100%, full time, WR. His touches come in different packages.
Harvin has always been a big-time player. Maybe he isn't a pure WR, but he's pretty good at it.
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OL is tough to judge because one or two guys fucking up makes the whole group look bad. Atoe and Shelton aren't very good and Tanigawa isn't much better.
If people want to talk potential and excitement of course Ross is still there in the convo.