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Wilcox hasn't proved jack shit. Doogs love to bring up the Stanford game but easily forget that they were playing a QB who might has well been blindfolded and throwing lefty. Let us not forget that their WR's dropped like 3 wide open passes for touchdowns. They also seem to forget the EPIC abortion that was the 4th quarter of the WSU game. Doogs just point out Coons made that kick (yes he should have drilled that, great recruiting Sark!) but we should have NEVER been in that position.
The only reason people (and by people I mean doogs) think that Wilcox is this defensive genius is because they compare him to Holt, where he is a slight upgrade.
When he starts consistently holding good teams to 14 points or lower then we can start talking (although I don't see that happening). -
Sark : Ty :: Wilcox : Holt
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Wilcox has improved the defenses at every place he's coached (check). I said he was a proven DC, not that he had already built a championship D. He coached at Boise where they have under recruited and under sized guys and he coached at Tennessee which was one of the worst SEC programs at the time. Ironically, 180 degrees opposite Sark, he's had to coach (as a coordinator) entirely on fundamentals and scheme. He was part of victories over Oklahoma and Oregon twice.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
Now, since I actually watch the games and follow the program let me help. There was a huge defensive improvement in the first year and across the board at all positions. Meanwhile, since the new D staff arrived recruiting has improved considerably. Guys like Vatuvei, Shaq, Mathis, Qualls, Mathis, Farria, and Kelly were very highly recruited while the 3* star guys compared to the past 3* guys (with offers from WSU and OSU) have much better offer lists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where good coaching with improved recruiting leads to. -
7-6 >>>>> 7-6
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"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
Tennessee fell to dead last in defense without Wilcox in 2012. That should count for something. He's a good defensive coordinator, but good assistants aren't what win teams championships.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
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Yes, we get it...he is better than Holt..if you want to doog it up and people will pat you on the back there is place you can do that for $9.99. He took UW D from horrible to average in 1 year...just like sark did with the program Great > average. Let it play out.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Wilcox has improved the defenses at every place he's coached (check). I said he was a proven DC, not that he had already built a championship D. He coached at Boise where they have under recruited and under sized guys and he coached at Tennessee which was one of the worst SEC programs at the time. Ironically, 180 degrees opposite Sark, he's had to coach (as a coordinator) entirely on fundamentals and scheme. He was part of victories over Oklahoma and Oregon twice.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
Now, since I actually watch the games and follow the program let me help. There was a huge defensive improvement in the first year and across the board at all positions. Meanwhile, since the new D staff arrived recruiting has improved considerably. Guys like Vatuvei, Shaq, Mathis, Qualls, Mathis, Farria, and Kelly were very highly recruited while the 3* star guys compared to the past 3* guys (with offers from WSU and OSU) have much better offer lists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where good coaching with improved recruiting leads to. -
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
Hope this helps.
