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I find a lot of people trying to state their case based on what's on the team, which inevitably causes the two camps to rally between our OL/WR/RB talent. Some blame the people around the QB, the others do not and place most of the blame on the QB. Obviously competition is part of the argument, but he hasn't even gone on the road yet. What happens on the road in the pac12?
If people can step aside for a second and watch a days worth of college football(which we all do), then come back to Miles you see a QB that couldn't start on pretty much any team on TV based on the eye test. He lacks decision making, arm, pocket presence, game/clock mgt, mechanics and something outside the eye test(leadership). I have watched a lot of college football this year and I can't think of a QB i've watched that looks more rattled, less comfortable in the pocket, or has a worse arm than Miles. I regularly see him throw balls top end HS QB's would be embarrassed to throw. On the positive side i do see him make the occasional throw which gives me a glimmer of hope. It's too bad for a 3rd year player he's so incredibly behind what I would expect for his recognition.
I likened him during the game to the guy you play on madden or Ncaa football who snaps the ball and tries to run outside the pocket and then make a decision where to throw the ball. Timing and presnap decision making defines the QB. I believe it's been stated 80% of a qb's decisions happen presnap. You CAN NOT rely on getting outside the pocket in the pac12 and regularly make decisions after the snap. .
My biggest concern with Miles is his inability to recognize defenses and properly go through a progression. His arm is something which could be hidden if he makes proper reads and releases the ball on time. Sadly, Miles is regularly late even when he finally does recognize a route. I do not see miles succeeding here only b/c he's in his 3rd year and would not be playing if we had any semblance of a QB on the roster. If you can't recognize defenses or be comfortable in the pocket by your 3rd year...............Guys are gonna be rattled, but not 85% of plays.
The only saving hope I have for Cyler is that part of this is peterman and smiths fault based on playcalling and pounding in that he be mistake free. Maybe he's playing scared. He's so incredibly scared to throw an INT he can't pull the trigger. The turn over mantra sounds to me as if someone is trying to paint lipstick on a pig. We don't have a QB who can throw it downfield and won't stay in the pocket so we're stuck trying to cover it up. I personally don't buy it b/c he should still be able to make progressions and make reads presnap more than 10 or 15% of the time.
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If you have a QB that is capable of making big time throws to the point that you know you'll get some turnovers once in a while, you focus more on teaching them the when/where of when to push the envelope versus when to dial it back. QBs like Brees, Favre, Marino, etc. made/make plenty of mistakes pushing the football but they also are some of the most successful QBs because they are willing to make throws that so many are afraid to.
Given how Miles is playing, he can't make turnovers. The only reason we had a chance to win the game yesterday was because he didn't make any turnovers.
I don't care if a QB wants to live outside the pocket and scramble provided they can make plays when they do so. Miles doesn't run fast enough or with enough conviction to create explosive plays on the scramble. It'd be ok if he scrambled if he was an accurate thrower on the run - but he's less accruate when he is on the move because of his terrible mechanics. There was a throw where he scrambled, approached the line of scrimmage, forced the Stanford DB to respect his ability to run leaving a wide open WR on the sideline and he airmailed the throw by 10 feet.
The play calling can always improve almost regardless of the team and situation. It's easy to second guess it. But we know that Petersen knows what he is doing. His track record suggests as much. For the most part, in games against the best competition, his reliance on trick plays has been by far the exception and not the rule. So if you are seeing vanilla game plans, vanilla play calls, and calling terrible fake punts at the wrong time and wrong place, that's about as glowing of an indictment on what he thinks about the QB position and his ability to lead. -
And? What the fuck is your point? Come on Tequilla. Casey Paus played a good half against Oregon too. At least in the Eastern and Illinois games Miley played fairly well and wasn't a reason we almost lost. Miles has a much better track record of playing competent football than Lindquist. This is now the second coaching staff that prefers Miles to Lindquist. There is a huge difference between Stanford and Hawaii.Tequilla said:At least in the Hawaii game Lindquist gave you 1 half of play where not only could you see that he had the ability to be competent before the 2nd half started and the inexperience took over. If Miles gave you 1 half of competent football yesterday we're sitting here talking about a win yesterday.
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I don't envy Petersen at all right now.RoadDawg55 said:
And? Miles has a much better track record of playing competent football than Lindquist. This is now the second coaching staff that prefers Miles to Lindquist.Tequilla said:At least in the Hawaii game Lindquist gave you 1 half of play where not only could you see that he had the ability to be competent before the 2nd half started and the inexperience took over. If Miles gave you 1 half of competent football yesterday we're sitting here talking about a win yesterday.
Personally, I was 100% wrong about Miles. Where I thought that he'd show growth year over year and embrace the opportunity he's proving on the field that he's not in a position to play at this level.
I don't disagree that Lindquist has his own warts. I do believe that he'll get the next crack at things before Williams does. Because once you go to Williams, you've lost both Miles and Lindquist. -
Are we arguing that miles is better than lidy, or that miles should be a pac12 starting qb right now? I agree with you on the former, and not the latter. At this point of his career, miles is nowhere near a pac12 starter. Maybe the developed version could be, but he's nowhere near that level today. Unfortunately we don't have a better optionRoadDawg55 said:
And? What the fuck is your point? Come on Tequilla. Casey Paus played a good half against Oregon too. At least in the Eastern and Illinois games Miley played fairly well and wasn't a reason we almost lost. Miles has a much better track record of playing competent football than Lindquist. This is now the second coaching staff that prefers Miles to Lindquist. There is a huge difference between Stanford and Hawaii.Tequilla said:At least in the Hawaii game Lindquist gave you 1 half of play where not only could you see that he had the ability to be competent before the 2nd half started and the inexperience took over. If Miles gave you 1 half of competent football yesterday we're sitting here talking about a win yesterday.
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You don't like who Sark left Peterman at QB yet fail to acknowledge the empty cupboard Owen left Sark... agenda?
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This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
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Or we could try and get to 11, 298 posts by responding in one liners all day.TierbsHsotBoobs said:This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
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Quantity is quality.FreeChavez said:
Or we could try and get to 11, 298 posts by responding in one liners all day.TierbsHsotBoobs said:This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
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Anyone suggesting lindquist should start if miles has another bad game.
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My Way:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Quantity is quality.FreeChavez said:
Or we could try and get to 11, 298 posts by responding in one liners all day.TierbsHsotBoobs said:This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
Learn how to deal with 21st century attention spans.
I appreciate the brevity many provide on these boards for the majority of poasts, however once in a while it's nice to actually have a discussion which doesn't surround DM.c and p0rN shots and centers around a topic. I like to read others thoughts and debate. I fucking hate twitter and all it represents to undermine any thought or debate. The reason 21st century kids are continuing down a spiral of stupidity is that fact they don't actually debate topics in more than 140 characters. I'm not even old and i get tired of the whole condensed poast after poast.
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Fuck off you illiterate slumberchub
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H_D said:
Giving up on Karta-Samules already?
Peterman has his work cut out grooming a QB but I haven't given up on the two FR. Frankly I doubt Seven bailed do to the QB situation, my guess is getting a new job and another 3+ years he can bank $10M before he gets fired. Had he stayed at UW he was likely getting fired after the 2015 season IMO. He's going to need house money when he becomes the QB coach for the Raiders in 2017/18.SonnyShackelford said:Definitely nybe.....
Shouldn't speculate on Williams. No one has any clue about him when the lights come on
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My thoughts exactly.TierbsHsotBoobs said:This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
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Sounds to me like you and Tequilla need to fuck already.FreeChavez said:
My Way:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Quantity is quality.FreeChavez said:
Or we could try and get to 11, 298 posts by responding in one liners all day.TierbsHsotBoobs said:This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
Learn how to deal with 21st century attention spans.
I appreciate the brevity many provide on these boards for the majority of poasts, however once in a while it's nice to actually have a discussion which doesn't surround DM.c and p0rN shots and centers around a topic. I like to read others thoughts and debate. I fucking hate twitter and all it represents to undermine any thought or debate. The reason 21st century kids are continuing down a spiral of stupidity is that fact they don't actually debate topics in more than 140 characters. I'm not even old and i get tired of the whole condensed poast after poast.
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Sorry...can't agree with the premise here DJ. You can and should point out that our former QB guru can't develop a QB for the life of him, but saying that there is no Pac12 talent between 4 underclassman QBs that were recruited by most of the Pac12 and the country ain't correct. Saying its looked like they've only been holding a clipboard and smoking dubies since they arrived might be.
Our offensive game plan on Saturday was offensive...there is no sugar coating that. That's on Smith...if your QBs have limitations you design you game plan (and alternatives) around it, and it didn't happened. Lindy blows, but if your gameplan is only running the zone read over and over at least he can run it and maybe even run it himself once.
As long as it gets better over the season that's ok...we have an entirely new staff and a new OC that is figuring things out. It would be crazy to think we were going to not lose a few with the change in coaches and at the skill positions. The next teams, even the Ducks, aren't going to have Stanford's front 7 so it should get better. They will all use this as a template (load the line and make whatever QB we drag out hit a few passes) and we'll see if our OC is worth a damn. Peterman appears to like his coaches to coach, and if means that he's got to get more involved with the OC so be it.
That said, if it doesn't get better and there aren't some changes then its on Peterman...
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Where is the off season of pressing when you really need it...
This thread is reason number 81 why the HHB bored is boring after a win. -
Fuck me and my 53 seconds.
http://forum.hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/190343/#Comment_190343whlinder said:Sark is a fucking tool, but I have to begrudgingly respect him for skipping town when he did. He would have been exposed as a fraud with these QBs. And instead got paid by USC for 5 years and left the problems to his UW successor.
Fuck Sark. I want to hate the player and not the game... But damn. What a playa.
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I saw a young qb that got rattled by a talented defense and good scheme on Saturday. And I don't think our play calling did him any favors. 4 starts this year do not give us a big enough body of work to pass final judgment, considering that three of them came against dreck. If he looks like shit against the next 3-4 quality teams, then I think we can press the panic button on the QB spot.
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There is absolutely no way Petersen makes a change from Miles unless he has a dreckfest of a 1st half against Kal's leaky anus of a defense.
Kal's offense is pretty good so if Miles and the O he runs hasn't improved over the next two weeks with the bye and we're down, say, 17-3 at half, then yeah I see Williams coming in if he has a good two weeks of practice. I like having Lindquist on the roster for the WildSwede and he's big with a strong-arm but he really lacks accuracy.
But who knows, we haven't seen Miles against an average or bad Pac-12 defense when he's supposed to be the man. Last year he looked good subbing in @ UCLA and crushing the Beavs when they couldn't stop the running game but it was still KP's team. -
Two things really give me a lot of concern with Miles:kh83 said:I saw a young qb that got rattled by a talented defense and good scheme on Saturday. And I don't think our play calling did him any favors. 4 starts this year do not give us a big enough body of work to pass final judgment, considering that three of them came against dreck. If he looks like shit against the next 3-4 quality teams, then I think we can press the panic button on the QB spot.
1) He's shown an absolute inability to consistently throw an intermediate pass in really any game this year (including the preseason scrimmages). That speaks volumes to me about not being able to anticipate, not being able to trust in your teammates to get to those spots, and not trusting your own abilities to fit the ball to where it needs to be.
2) He's looked extremely rattled and overwhelmed when any team tries to blitz him (although you also have to put some of this on the OL not standing up better). However, in numerous instances blitzes will be called, then they will be tipped, and Cyler seemingly gets swallowed up whereas any high caliber QB if you tip your blitz and don't kill it as a result will give you the plungering that the defense deserves for tipping it.
If you can't do these two things as a QB, you can't play the QB position at a high level. Forget everything else. These are fundamental attributes that EVERY high level QB needs. -
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Supercanuck is making a late charge for doog of the week!
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Not really.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's beyond TequillaFS to compare Stanford's defense to Hawaii's defense.Tequilla said:At least in the Hawaii game Lindquist gave you 1 half of play where not only could you see that he had the ability to be competent before the 2nd half started and the inexperience took over. If Miles gave you 1 half of competent football yesterday we're sitting here talking about a win yesterday.
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Hard to sound haughty and aloof by adhering to a 30 word limit, thoughTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Quantity is quality.FreeChavez said:
Or we could try and get to 11, 298 posts by responding in one liners all day.TierbsHsotBoobs said:This whole thread is Tequilla Long, Don't Read now.
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Where?DerekJohnson said:To newcomers to our board, NYBE is Half Brain speak for "not your best effort"
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Sure looks to me like the QBs have regressed. I mean, I get the blame Sark campaign, he did a lot of mediocre to bad things up there (and now seems to be doing the same at USC ugh) but Peterson has had these QBs since January. Does he get no blame for having 9+ months and seeing regression? Miles definitely looked better last year, in fact, I was upset USC never had a shot at him after watching him look so smooth against Ucla, etc.
I think there's plenty to blame Sark for in the UW program, but I'm not sure this is one of them. It certainly is an interesting state of affairs with our two programs right now. I'm a Peterson fan so I'm closely watching both UW and obviously USC for the next couple years and it looks to be more than entertaining. -
YBEDerekJohnson said:To newcomers to our board, NYBE is Half Brain speak for "not your best effort"
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HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Supercanuck is making a late charge for doog of the millennium!
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Fetters is that you?supercanuckFS said:
