Jedd Fisch -- Deny Today, Depart Tomorrow?
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Sound like the gloves are coming off.
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- golves *
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The doogs glazing Fisch sound eerily similar to the doogs who glazed Sark.
History does repeat itself.
Edited to add: Good analysis doesn't always require 2,000 words.
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Year 2 just wrapped up.
Old enough to to remember @iDawg and @RaceBannon tell me on a podcast post Holiday Bowl that if Sark was turning around the program, this is what it would look like. That was Sark Year 2.
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Sark year 5, 9-4
Judd year 2, 9-4
Judd is closer to CP than Sark IMHO. None of the three is DeBoer. Short and sweet.
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I largely agree with the list on both sides
Play calling to me is always an interesting discussion because everybody has elements that are good and bad and it's why I try to evaluate everything on the aggregate instead of any singular example. My sense was very much aligned with yours which is why I was somewhat surprised by the rate stats of UW in Big10 play … I thought that the run game was better (and it proved out in the stats) but I was surprised that the pass game was actually more explosive this year (would not have bet on that).
In today's world of pay for play it's probably always going to be a mixed bag on guys that worked out and those that didn't. Coleman probably has some lightning rod elements to his on field performance in Big10 play and how much of that was tied to injury issues (particularly this year is up for debate). I do think that one thing that is always important with a new coach and new staff is establishing the culture and Coleman was obviously good with that with a lot of what he achieved off the field being everything that you'd want (and a good bridge to the old school which matters at UW).
An area where I do think it's probably fair to be critical of Fisch is that sometimes he plays favorites whether it's trying to get players to milestone numbers and/or playing players for reasons other than them being the best player at the time. I think anytime you do that you're running the risk of the juice not being worth the squeeze in the bigger picture.
The job stuff I don't disagree with wanting Fisch to say something stronger in terms of UW commitment so that's frustrating but shouldn't be surprising given his history and his well known intention of wanting to get to the NFL. I look at UW having a coach in those discussions as more of a net positive in that we've actually got one of the better ones …
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Who was making comparisons to Cignetti?
What most of us don't know is how much money was on the table for players coming from Arizona? Did we have enough on the table to bring everybody? Were we selective about who was brought?
Big picture I don't have a huge issue with Fisch focusing primarily on the recruiting and youth aspect.
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What do you think DeBoer was looking at in 2024 had he stayed record wise? I'm thinking UW maybe is at 8-4 … probably aren't winning at Iowa, at Penn St, at Oregon, and at Indiana (although possible with a backup QB). Probably have enough left in the tank to beat Wazzu and Rutgers … both very winnable games. Of course that assumes the same outcomes against Michigan and USC.
The big issue with DeBoer was what were things going to look like in 2025 going forward …
IF you look at the UW recruits he signed not a ton of them have been impactful in CFB to date
We'd almost assuredly be relying way more on the portal than we are going to be with Fisch going forward
Not saying one is better than the other per se (although I've been critical of a portal centric roster build approach) …
I do think though that the consensus view of UW as a program after last year at 9-4 is still probably more favorable with DeBoer as the HC than Fisch
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Re: Rosengarten … I think it's presumptive to say that he was for sure coming back had DeBoer remained at UW. It's hard to assume anybody stays with a Round 1 grade. With Rosengarten he almost assuredly had a Round 2 grade and that very much becomes a 50/50 proposition. Even if Rosengarten came back it doesn't change the long-term OL issues that were going to develop on the roster with the trajectory that DeBoer was on.
As for low-balling DeBoer's offer, there's a lot of different ways to take it. Regardless of the offer that we made to DeBoer, I find it very hard to believe that we're retaining him once Alabama reaches out and shows interest that he's the guy. Moreover, if you go back and look at the trajectory of DeBoer's tenure at UW:
- Received an extension/raise after the 2022 season - a $1M annual raise (to $4.2M) and an additional 2 years on the deal
- November 2023 extension offer of $8.7M/yr (more than 2x existing contract, top 15 in the country)
- January 2024 extension offer of $9.4M/yr (top 8 in the country) - final contract with Alabama at $10.25M
This is an interesting retrospective read …
And look at DeBoer's comments in the article and compare to what Fisch has said … it's why I always say that paying attention to coach speak on subjects like this aren't really worth much
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Race ain't worth my time to take the gloves off to throw heavy shots anymore …
He's such a fraud compared to what he used to be that just throwing a jab here and there is enough to knock him over
