I’ll add that much of the US political class has had no reason to help Mexico’s economy, as a large chunk of their campaign money and perks come from global corporations who have almost no interest in anything other than cheap labor to make their products. Legitimate companies in the USA, like mine, pay good wages to our plant workers and in return expect excellent products.
I think the 10% on China will magically end much of the fentanyl production and smuggling done by the Chinese. The Canada and Mexico 25% I'm actually shocked by. I thought he would saber rattle for a few months to get leverage. But as shocking as it is, I trust that he knows business and knows what he is doing. We shall see.
When you think about it, the “we need lower-wage uneducated illegal alien Hispanics to mow our lawns and clean our toilets” argument is a wild take from an objective perspective, especially since it’s almost all from well-off whites.
Taxed guest-workers for harvest are common, so I don’t include those workers.
The ostensible reason for the tariffs is to stop drug traffic and illegal immigration. There is a cause and effect breakdown here. A tax on a goofy place like Mexico with the cartels running things is not likely to work for the drug trade. Watch the movie "Traffic." What does stop the drug trade? I suppose if you went full Singapore and hang people. But short of that I don't see much happening even if tariffs were 100% 200%…. what stops drugs?
As far as immigration goes, Mr Trump said he'd build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. However now he says the tariffs YOU pay for will induce Mexico to stop illegal immigration. But how does that happen? He does not say.
We are at a trade disadvantage with Mexico, in particular, and to a lesser extent, but still a disadvantage, to Canada.
So it appears you didn’t want to have an actual conversation on restructuring CUSMA and instead somehow tied it to drugs coming from Mexico.
You know what stops drugs from Mexico? Real border enforcement. Leavitt mentioned drugs as a shiny to use this as an incentive to curtail immigration, but for me, this is the real problem.
The U.S. trade deficit with Canada has surged from $31 billion in 2019 to $72 billion in 2023, largely reflecting growing American imports of Canadian energy. Over that same period, the gap with Mexico has grown from $106 billion in 2019 to $161 billion as the U.S. curtails imports from China and brings more electronic items, shoes and other products from south of the border.
Well, the Israelis got rid of Hamas in Gaza and we eliminated the Taliban in Afghanistan. Last I heard the American installed government in South Vietnam is still doing great. The US has no stomach for another multi-year half assed war with a large civilian casualty number. Mexicans will come across the border in the tens of millions to flee the carnage. Build the wall and I agree with some relatively small action take out of the Cartel leaders ops, but it ain't going to be a wipeout. Cut their money supply with getting the human trafficking and drug trade down to a fraction of what it is today. Hamstring the Mexican banks who handle the tens of billions the cartel is taking in each year.
We helped Mexico and they have abused it. They fucked us thanks to Clinton, Bush, BO and countless idiots in congress who have never run a company. We helped Panama and they abused it. Canada? Same thing. They have taken terrible advantage of the American citizens and it has cost us trillions in employment and innovation. Don't get me started on how much we pay for American invented drugs compared to all the countries around the world who have benefited and pay a cheaper price. That reason alone is why I hate big pharma. I have had numerous friends who can purchase even cancer fighting drugs internationally at a fraction of the cost we pay here in the US even though it was invented her. Back in the early 90's we didn't have drugs like Pepcid AC but i could buy it in El Salvador for $4.00 for 25 tablets. I still can't get it here for that. The best anti-acid product on the market but the FDA didn't allow it until the early to mid 90's. I also hate the FDA. I would come back with 4000 tablets and give to my friends.
China is a different situation. They use communism slave labor to force their cheap products down our throats. Yes, it is the American people who have consumed and enjoyed cheap Tupperware type products. They have stolen trillions of tech and patented technology in thousands of inventions and products from us. We buy them, We have to stop even though it will mean higher prices for their goods. We have to produce state side and let industry produce it cheaper and cheaper with automation. That is the cure for China.
Haven't you all enjoyed AOGs policy proposals on stopping illegal immigration and drugs from the Southern border? Might as well say that the dementia patient was on the right track, just lay back and enjoy it.
Time has shown there isn't anything that actually stops drug… it's clear to me that there is practically no connection to tariffs anyway. The "drug war" was a resounding failure. It isn't going to stop any more than bootlegging stopped in the 20s.
As far as immigration, the Democrats were too lax on it. There should be strong border security but again I don't see the connection to tariffs. We pay tariffs. SO if we pay tariffs we also pay for the security, but your Mr Trump said Mexico would pay.
Fine. Then let's do reparations. We didn't have a wall to stop drugs coming in from Mexico. Fentanyl and meth are much different drugs than dope, cocaine and heroin. Dope was sucking up way too many drug war resources. Shut the border and work on the source of the fentanyl, the chicoms.
California, and especially Arizona, need a political overhaul up to the governor because there is more than circumstantial evidence they are tied up in cartels funding them.
Good thing the FBI was tied up with rounding up January 6th paraders. Cartels obviously should have been ignored due to lack of resources. Oh, and those abortion protestors too, another important priority. Now violent BLM and antifa protestors were just mostly peaceful protestors. Who can forget all the laser lights shining at the Capitol police eyes and the molotov cocktails thrown.
It sounds like Mr Trump's plan is to induce Mexico to organize a lot banditos with badges to root out the drugs and illegal immigration at the source? That follows from his tariffs?
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I’ll add that much of the US political class has had no reason to help Mexico’s economy, as a large chunk of their campaign money and perks come from global corporations who have almost no interest in anything other than cheap labor to make their products. Legitimate companies in the USA, like mine, pay good wages to our plant workers and in return expect excellent products.
I think the 10% on China will magically end much of the fentanyl production and smuggling done by the Chinese. The Canada and Mexico 25% I'm actually shocked by. I thought he would saber rattle for a few months to get leverage. But as shocking as it is, I trust that he knows business and knows what he is doing. We shall see.
When you think about it, the “we need lower-wage uneducated illegal alien Hispanics to mow our lawns and clean our toilets” argument is a wild take from an objective perspective, especially since it’s almost all from well-off whites.
Taxed guest-workers for harvest are common, so I don’t include those workers.
Not sure the China one is going to change their behavior. Canada and Mexico will submit to Daddy pretty quickly though.
The ostensible reason for the tariffs is to stop drug traffic and illegal immigration. There is a cause and effect breakdown here. A tax on a goofy place like Mexico with the cartels running things is not likely to work for the drug trade. Watch the movie "Traffic." What does stop the drug trade? I suppose if you went full Singapore and hang people. But short of that I don't see much happening even if tariffs were 100% 200%…. what stops drugs?
As far as immigration goes, Mr Trump said he'd build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. However now he says the tariffs YOU pay for will induce Mexico to stop illegal immigration. But how does that happen? He does not say.
We are at a trade disadvantage with Mexico, in particular, and to a lesser extent, but still a disadvantage, to Canada.
So it appears you didn’t want to have an actual conversation on restructuring CUSMA and instead somehow tied it to drugs coming from Mexico.
You know what stops drugs from Mexico? Real border enforcement. Leavitt mentioned drugs as a shiny to use this as an incentive to curtail immigration, but for me, this is the real problem.
The U.S. trade deficit with Canada has surged from $31 billion in 2019 to $72 billion in 2023, largely reflecting growing American imports of Canadian energy. Over that same period, the gap with Mexico has grown from $106 billion in 2019 to $161 billion as the U.S. curtails imports from China and brings more electronic items, shoes and other products from south of the border.
We should tariff China to destroy their economy and to decouple ours from one that is doomed for failure.
No deal they make should ever be viewed as anything but deception.
Smart bombs and special forces will stop the cartels. They're now designated terrorist organizations and we're going to wipe them out.
Well, the Israelis got rid of Hamas in Gaza and we eliminated the Taliban in Afghanistan. Last I heard the American installed government in South Vietnam is still doing great. The US has no stomach for another multi-year half assed war with a large civilian casualty number. Mexicans will come across the border in the tens of millions to flee the carnage. Build the wall and I agree with some relatively small action take out of the Cartel leaders ops, but it ain't going to be a wipeout. Cut their money supply with getting the human trafficking and drug trade down to a fraction of what it is today. Hamstring the Mexican banks who handle the tens of billions the cartel is taking in each year.
AOG wants tariffs to fail so he can say he was right
This is a great discussion.
We helped Mexico and they have abused it. They fucked us thanks to Clinton, Bush, BO and countless idiots in congress who have never run a company. We helped Panama and they abused it. Canada? Same thing. They have taken terrible advantage of the American citizens and it has cost us trillions in employment and innovation. Don't get me started on how much we pay for American invented drugs compared to all the countries around the world who have benefited and pay a cheaper price. That reason alone is why I hate big pharma. I have had numerous friends who can purchase even cancer fighting drugs internationally at a fraction of the cost we pay here in the US even though it was invented her. Back in the early 90's we didn't have drugs like Pepcid AC but i could buy it in El Salvador for $4.00 for 25 tablets. I still can't get it here for that. The best anti-acid product on the market but the FDA didn't allow it until the early to mid 90's. I also hate the FDA. I would come back with 4000 tablets and give to my friends.
China is a different situation. They use communism slave labor to force their cheap products down our throats. Yes, it is the American people who have consumed and enjoyed cheap Tupperware type products. They have stolen trillions of tech and patented technology in thousands of inventions and products from us. We buy them, We have to stop even though it will mean higher prices for their goods. We have to produce state side and let industry produce it cheaper and cheaper with automation. That is the cure for China.
This is not simple but common sense.
Haven't you all enjoyed AOGs policy proposals on stopping illegal immigration and drugs from the Southern border? Might as well say that the dementia patient was on the right track, just lay back and enjoy it.
Time has shown there isn't anything that actually stops drug… it's clear to me that there is practically no connection to tariffs anyway. The "drug war" was a resounding failure. It isn't going to stop any more than bootlegging stopped in the 20s.
As far as immigration, the Democrats were too lax on it. There should be strong border security but again I don't see the connection to tariffs. We pay tariffs. SO if we pay tariffs we also pay for the security, but your Mr Trump said Mexico would pay.
As I said, this AOG guy doesn’t want to have a real discussion on North America trade policy. He wants to dunk on Trump 1.0.
Another TugTard failure.
Fine. Then let's do reparations. We didn't have a wall to stop drugs coming in from Mexico. Fentanyl and meth are much different drugs than dope, cocaine and heroin. Dope was sucking up way too many drug war resources. Shut the border and work on the source of the fentanyl, the chicoms.
California, and especially Arizona, need a political overhaul up to the governor because there is more than circumstantial evidence they are tied up in cartels funding them.
Good thing the FBI was tied up with rounding up January 6th paraders. Cartels obviously should have been ignored due to lack of resources. Oh, and those abortion protestors too, another important priority. Now violent BLM and antifa protestors were just mostly peaceful protestors. Who can forget all the laser lights shining at the Capitol police eyes and the molotov cocktails thrown.
It sounds like Mr Trump's plan is to induce Mexico to organize a lot banditos with badges to root out the drugs and illegal immigration at the source? That follows from his tariffs?
We subsidized Canada's existence only for them to become a Chinese client state for pennies on the dollar.
Yeah, it's time to put them in their place.