Herbert is hardly a bust. The guy can make throws that maybe a handful of QBs can make. Agree with A2 that this has been largely situational, though I will say Herbert has never flashed that "fire in your belly" thing that the great ones have (though expressed differently from guy to guy). He's like the kid who had elite speed growing up and therefore never developed toughness because he could always run away from everybody. That is something to watch. OTOH, his teammates love him and when defenders continually try to hurt him they come fiercely to his defense on the field. That's telling.
Herbs is the quintessential franchise QB. He needs an offensive line and some time with a good head coach. He was anally raped in that playoff game against the Texans and still walked off the field. Something to be said for that.
Remember, too, that Dan Marino played in and lost one, ONE, Super Bowl. And Trent Dilfer has a ring.
It's never been the test for bust. It might be the test for GOAT, but not for great.
There might be something to that. I agree. He seems at times to try and be careful when he plays. A lot of really stupid (in the ordinary sense) guys have excelled at that position, so it seems to be more a function of instinct or a willingness to be aggressive and take chances. Sometimes QBs make quick decisions because they "let it rip." Somebody needs to tell him to just play.
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For me it's Herbert because he wanted to go to UW but made the best of what his parents handed him.
Herbert is hardly a bust. The guy can make throws that maybe a handful of QBs can make. Agree with A2 that this has been largely situational, though I will say Herbert has never flashed that "fire in your belly" thing that the great ones have (though expressed differently from guy to guy). He's like the kid who had elite speed growing up and therefore never developed toughness because he could always run away from everybody. That is something to watch. OTOH, his teammates love him and when defenders continually try to hurt him they come fiercely to his defense on the field. That's telling.
Herbs is the quintessential franchise QB. He needs an offensive line and some time with a good head coach. He was anally raped in that playoff game against the Texans and still walked off the field. Something to be said for that.
Remember, too, that Dan Marino played in and lost one, ONE, Super Bowl. And Trent Dilfer has a ring.
It's never been the test for bust. It might be the test for GOAT, but not for great.
Herbert has always been tough and able to take a licking.
He’s a slow decision maker. He was at Oregon too.
That’s what separates the top QBs from him.
There might be something to that. I agree. He seems at times to try and be careful when he plays. A lot of really stupid (in the ordinary sense) guys have excelled at that position, so it seems to be more a function of instinct or a willingness to be aggressive and take chances. Sometimes QBs make quick decisions because they "let it rip." Somebody needs to tell him to just play.
Trust issues
If Big Ben can win a few Super Bowls then Herbs, at least, has a chance.