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The prohibition embodied in the Excessive Fines Clause carries forward protections found in sources from Magna Carta to the English Bill of Rights to state constitutions from the colonial era to the present day," Ginsburg argued in the case. "Protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history for good reason: Such fines undermine other liberties."
Ginsburg added that such fines "can be used, e.g., to retaliate against or chill the speech of political enemies."
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Nailed it
As a true centrist, I haven't moved.
RBG sounds MAGA
The DA keeps posting updated fine amounts each day with the accrued interest as they attempt to bankrupt Trump because of politics..
These are people who cannot be reasoned with and should be viewed as religious extremists on par with any group of nut jobs trying to harm those unlike them by “othering” and demonizing them.
8th ammendment has something to say about this commie ruse.
"Very small amount of money.” Allegedly.
”Fuck the 8th Amendment because Leftism is my secular cult.”
James and Judge Bilbo Baggins are no different than any other political extremists, except these crazed zealots got into power and have freedom to abuse it for now.
"When calculating fines, courts must consider the defendant’s financial resources and the burden of the fine to the defendant, as discussed in United States v. United Mine Workers, 330 U.S. 258 (1947). "
I'm told Daddy is "really rich."
Name a similar fine for not comitting a crime.
Half a billion isn't a burden
Says noted dumbfuck
There is literally no victim in this crime and Trump employed thousands of taxpaying workers on his projects and properties for decades. Then lawyers get involved and the Left applauds it because they, like HHusky, are in a cult where “othering” is standard demonizing.
Exactly what did Trump do as President that would elicit they was the UniParty treats them other than to call out all of the corruption and bullshit? Seriously, what did he do? This is far beyond normal, rational political discourse.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2019/07/ftc-imposes-5-billion-penalty-sweeping-new-privacy-restrictions-facebook
Yes, there were actually victims here.
Dunce Cap is comparing the federal government fining a global corporation for violating privacy rights to Donald Trump taking out re-paid loans approved by banks. Loans that ultimately added people working for Trump projects and properties who paid NY state taxes.
This is stupid even for you, H.
I'm not a fan of the FTC
I hate Facebook so I never signed up
Sell that Zuckerberg
Your quarrel is with the statute enacted in the1950s, by a Republican controlled New York legislature. Apparently, they believed lying to lenders was deserving of punishment.
And the damages were what again? Court awards have to bear some due process connection to the actual damages. It's almost like you have a hypothetical law degree. The only good thing for New York will be the flight of capital from the reach of New York courts.
Gasbag dropped out of law school before learning about disgorgement of ill-gotten gains.
Facebook Market cap in 2019 was $585B so less than a 1% fine for the crime of "deceiving users about their ability to control the privacy of their personal information"
Vs Trump fine of $464M on estimated net worth of $2.6B or 17.9% of his net worth for a crime that the "Victim" said would be happy to do the deal again.
So, apples to aardvarks
H and his bumper sticker posts. “Disgorgement” is something he heard Rachel Maddow say. My idiot mother uses the same buzz word logic. Embarrassing.
Simpleton, but most cultists are also followers.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/02/president_trumps_new_york_legal_problems_began_in_1850.html
Hey, can I borrow money from you
poor unsophisticated 80 year old widowJP Morgan with your army of MBAs (real MBAs) and real estate financial specialists who conducted their own detailed due diligence? Then pay it back and have the dazzler talk about ill-gotten gains? Is ill-gotten gains a legal term? Repaying a loan is an ill-gotten gain? You suck at this.This decision teems with the muddled thinking from mixing law and equity. The statute (law) enables the Attorney General (law enforcement) to use civil discovery (from equity) to investigate fraud (a potential crime) and bypass the Constitutional protections granted to someone accused of a crime (e.g, search warrants). Is that justice? Oh, it’s OK because restitution limits what can be extracted from the target. The AG is just getting compensation for victims, that’s all. “Restitution” is an equitable remedy, so there is no jury to try facts.
Wait, the AG is a party in a civil suit, so don’t our rules of procedure allow access to all equitable remedies? This new-fangled “disgorgement” is floating around as an equitable remedy. They say it discourages wrongdoing by stripping the accused of their ill-gotten gains. Nothin’ wrong with that. Since disgorgement has no accepted legal meaning, what if we say that it doesn’t require identifiable victims because we’re discouraging wrongdoing. No victims, uh, who gets the money? Hey, we can put the money in the treasury! Neat, huh? Government employees in black robes gettin’ it done! Thank you, Mr. Field.