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  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,772 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2024

    Perhaps because when Fisch has a job for 3 straight years it will be the first tim.

    AGAIN, you guys would be raining a shit parade down on other programs for this stuff.

  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,858 Standard Supporter

    Now we're crediting coaches for their work as coordinators? I'm sure Bill Parcells agrees with you there...

    Belichik did nothing without Brady. 5 - 11 in his first season as NE head coach before Brady took over. Horrible after Brady left while watching Brady win another one without him in Tompa Bay. Got fired in Cleveland.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,982 Founders Club
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,071 Founders Club

    I agree on that concern, but it has nothing to do with bootlicking for god's sake. Your response doesn't make sense.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,982 Founders Club

    Ducks are rattled

    Still

  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,848 Founders Club
    edited February 2024

    watching Arizona make turnover shish kabobs against Oklahoma in the Alamo bowl was one of the most ridiculous/hilarious moments of the year.

    It was absurd, a kid almost skewered himself, but they loved it.

    Just win baby.

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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682

    I know 3 very successful DI hoops coaches that did not play basketball in college, and 2 of them didn't play in HS. Guys that are ambitious move a lot in this business. Learn the craft, as an analyst, QC coach or asst. WR coach, and move on and up. A door was opened, and Fisch ran through it.

    A head coach is the CEO, the face and voice of the program. He knows his shit, and he hires good assistants, sets the course, closes recruits. He coaches his coaches (sound familiar?), and glad-hands the boosters and donors…How many car crashes have we seen with "long-time coordinator / assistant" hires, good coaches who patiently waited for their chance, and were exposed? It's not like Fisch was moving every 2 years because he got fired, he was seeing different philosophies, in an effort to create his own philosophy.

    I got pushed on as an assistant, and I pushed my assistants on, for their betterment, not necessarily mine.

  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,411

    I don't think anyone is knocking Noll, 4-0 is badass, but knocking Belichick for Brady can't happen without knocking Noll for having Bradshaw, Harris, Swann, Stallworth, Lambert, Webster, Blount, Greene and Ham. 5 Dudes on the NFL all-time 100 team.

    Gibbs had the following hall of famers on his teams: John Riggins (2 SBs, 1-1), Art Monk (4 SBs, 3-1), Russ Grimm (4 SBs, 3-1), and Darrell Green (2 SBs, 2-0). No one is putting any of those HOFer on any first team all time team. Green is the only player Gibbs coached on the NFL all-time 100 team.

    Gibbs winning % of .621, Noll of .566. Gibbs 17-7 in playoffs, Noll 16-8. Noll made the playoffs and got to 1 AFC CG with rando QBs. Gibbs never had anything but rando QBs and he made them superstars at their peak. And advanced metrics say the 91 Redskins come in as the best team of the SB era.

    Gibbs is the only coach at this level who is not tied to an all-time QB or a bunch of other HOFers. (Parcells is the closest in that regard, but he did have L.T)

    The NFL all-time 100 coaches during the SB era are: Belichick, Paul Brown (Bengals version but really made the list due to coaching the Browns before the SB), Landry, Gibbs, Lombardi, Noll, Shula and Walsh. Lombardi, Noll and Gibbs are the only ones without an all-time 100 QB, and obviously Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw are HOFers. None for Gibbs.

    Disparage Gibbs if you want but the case that he's the actual GOAT coach can be made.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,982 Founders Club

    I'd take the 84,89,or 94 Niners over the 91 Redskins but that's my fan take

    I was a big SF fan since Brodie.

    Rooting for the Chefs Sunday

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168

    Raining down a shit parade for what exactly? I'm also not sure what the connection between leap frogging Jedd and bottlicking Jedd is.

    But your panties are twisted, so Jedd must be doing something right. The fear of yet another carpet bagger becoming the duck's daddy is palpable.