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How bad was S&C under Ivan? (Tequila long)
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"Just wait until Ivan gets a hold of him!!"
...then what?
What piqued my interest during the Pac-12 media says was a quote by Ben Riva when questioned about the biggest difference between Sark and Petersen.
The point was further clarified by Riva (skip to 2:14)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yOJPW-aw-TE#t=134
And again by Petersen (on the subject of his attention to details): http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsports/2014/07/25/more-thoughts-from-chris-petersen-on-players-getting-in-trouble-recruiting-jonathan-smith-budda-baker-and-sleep-schedules/
But what evidence do we have that the weight room was a problem under Sark/Ivan?
Perhaps the first piece of evidence should be the 2013 UW Pro Day where our starting safety and back-up CB out-repped our starting C at the 225lb bench. http://blogs.seattletimes.com/huskyfootball/2013/03/13/pro-day-scenes/
The results are similar when looking at the 2014 UW Pro Day where Sankey out-repped everyone and ASJ could only do 17. http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/huskyfootball/files/2014/04/ProDay.png
Pretty significant, right? Socha really hasn't had too much time to revamp the S&C program, but after winter and spring, at least the program is moving in the right direction. Of course, the best measure would be to examine these reps before and after a year of Socha for the team in general, but the best measure we have now are the Top 5 after the Husky Combine this past May:
Yes, I realize the bias in measuring the Top 5 here and the Pro Day numbers, but it is proof the program is moving in the right direction. Here, we see 4/5 are OL and the fifth is a DE (could also play MLB in jumbo packages). Oh, and that's another positive to like about Socha - the Husky Combine. He held an open competition to show where each player where they are in their strength and conditioning, helping to motivate the players to show improvement between the spring and fall camp. Not only that, but the event was FREE PUB!! with some NFL scouts taking times and measurements. The Husky Combine was a huge success and will be a significant factor to motivate the players through off-season workouts.
If you made it this far and are still reading, you're a champ. And you might be wondering how does this translate to results on the field? Good question, and it's impossible to measure right now, but it shouldn't be hard to see a jump in strength and conditioning when playing the elite teams in the conference. If you need evidence, here are three videos I strongly recommend you watch (not going to embed them).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VTh9m9ogN0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb51YuDNmBE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0U-3sC9SvQ
Those three games are where our S&C failed us and have continued to fail us during Ivan's tenure. The fact that there's this newfound emphasis on the weight room and Pete's/Socha's culture has me confident that this program is ready to take the next step. The S&C was a huge liability with Sark and the fact that Pete is aggressively addressing this issue is a reason to be excited for the future.
...then what?
What piqued my interest during the Pac-12 media says was a quote by Ben Riva when questioned about the biggest difference between Sark and Petersen.
The point was further clarified by Riva (skip to 2:14)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yOJPW-aw-TE#t=134
And again by Petersen (on the subject of his attention to details): http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsports/2014/07/25/more-thoughts-from-chris-petersen-on-players-getting-in-trouble-recruiting-jonathan-smith-budda-baker-and-sleep-schedules/
“I don’t think it’s every any one thing. I think it’s everything. It’s how we keep our locker room... How you lift weights, how you show up, your mindset, how you practice. We all know you can go through the motions on anything. Just all those things."So that's three separate times the weight room was brought up during Pac-12 media day. And these weren't comments that were provoked necessarily either, but rather the answers to broad subjects about the general change in culture between the two programs.
But what evidence do we have that the weight room was a problem under Sark/Ivan?
Perhaps the first piece of evidence should be the 2013 UW Pro Day where our starting safety and back-up CB out-repped our starting C at the 225lb bench. http://blogs.seattletimes.com/huskyfootball/2013/03/13/pro-day-scenes/
The results are similar when looking at the 2014 UW Pro Day where Sankey out-repped everyone and ASJ could only do 17. http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/huskyfootball/files/2014/04/ProDay.png
Pretty significant, right? Socha really hasn't had too much time to revamp the S&C program, but after winter and spring, at least the program is moving in the right direction. Of course, the best measure would be to examine these reps before and after a year of Socha for the team in general, but the best measure we have now are the Top 5 after the Husky Combine this past May:
Yes, I realize the bias in measuring the Top 5 here and the Pro Day numbers, but it is proof the program is moving in the right direction. Here, we see 4/5 are OL and the fifth is a DE (could also play MLB in jumbo packages). Oh, and that's another positive to like about Socha - the Husky Combine. He held an open competition to show where each player where they are in their strength and conditioning, helping to motivate the players to show improvement between the spring and fall camp. Not only that, but the event was FREE PUB!! with some NFL scouts taking times and measurements. The Husky Combine was a huge success and will be a significant factor to motivate the players through off-season workouts.
If you made it this far and are still reading, you're a champ. And you might be wondering how does this translate to results on the field? Good question, and it's impossible to measure right now, but it shouldn't be hard to see a jump in strength and conditioning when playing the elite teams in the conference. If you need evidence, here are three videos I strongly recommend you watch (not going to embed them).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VTh9m9ogN0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb51YuDNmBE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0U-3sC9SvQ
Those three games are where our S&C failed us and have continued to fail us during Ivan's tenure. The fact that there's this newfound emphasis on the weight room and Pete's/Socha's culture has me confident that this program is ready to take the next step. The S&C was a huge liability with Sark and the fact that Pete is aggressively addressing this issue is a reason to be excited for the future.
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Another post like this and it's a timeout. No more warnings, just gone.
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Bench press reps aren't really that important, winning hot dog eating contests is a better indicator of a program being on the right track.
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Yea.... but can Petahman hit the crossbar from the 40 with ome arm while balancing a TopPot bacon covered maple bar in the other hand.section8 said:Bench press reps aren't really that important, winning hot dog eating contests is a better indicator of a program being on the right track.
That's what I thought.
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problem is, muscles slow you down during the 20 high speed scripted plays that were supposed to result in an immediate 14-0 lead.
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What has always stuck me as odd.....I know a bunch of guys that went to Idaho from about '93-'99.
Not football players per se...but guys friends with them....I was friends with some.
Nobody ever heard about an Ivan Lewis....nobody. -
Brian Cook disagreesHuskyJW said:What has always stuck me as odd.....I know a bunch of guys that went to Idaho from about '93-'99.
Not football players per se...but guys friends with them....I was friends with some.
Nobody ever heard about an Ivan Lewis....nobody. -
Your S&C program needs to mirror your style of play.
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Ivan was a complete fraud. When Sark took over there was all this talk about "the players Willingham left all have huge bellies and skinny arms". Well, after Ivan got a hold of em they just had skinny arms. For visual proof you can go find the fall practice pics from last year that the LP3 took. Pay special attention to Erik Kohler. This is a guy who was in "Ivan's system" for 4 years and he had the physique of a backup on a high school team. I don't think ASJ added a pound of muscle in his years as a husky, and then there were all the non-contact injuries.
It's nice to see that Socha is a proponent of old school strength training. Ivan was big into resistance bands and crossfit type shit that he was probably getting kick backs on. Last years strength numbers were so appalling I'm surprised Sark even let them be leaked, and of course Kim was there to quickly tell everyone that they didn't understand how football strength training works now.
Much like with the head coaches office, it's nice to have an adult in the weight room again -
Watching that 3rd video, it's easy to see that Myles Jack was sloppy and out of shape. Sark really dodged a bullet there.
For that alone, we should be thankful for Sark and his tenure leading UW back to its former glory. I knew he'd get us back, I never imagined it would happen so quickly.
