Killing People Is Harder Than You'd Think
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One more reason to restrict the power of the courts and transfer that power to the individual states. They have been constantly overstepping their bounds and need to be reigned in. One individual fucker does not have the right to decide the trajectory of a nation. The weepy liberals will swarm to this execution 'travesty' like maggots to a fresh pile of horse shit. Just turn on the news. Protecting the rights of murderers and protecting Hamas is more important to them than protecting the innocent.doogsinparadise said:PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
You're right, the Roberts court needs to be brought to heel before it destroys our democracy.oregonblitzkrieg said:
One more reason to restrict the power of the courts and transfer that power to the individual states. They have been constantly overstepping their bounds and need to be reigned in. One individual fucker does not have the right to decide the trajectory of a nation.doogsinparadise said:PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
I agree with your sarcastic statement. I'm not a GOP supporter, but I fucking hate the democrats that are in power right now.doogsinparadise said:
You're right, the Roberts court needs to be brought to heel before it destroys our democracy.oregonblitzkrieg said:
One more reason to restrict the power of the courts and transfer that power to the individual states. They have been constantly overstepping their bounds and need to be reigned in. One individual fucker does not have the right to decide the trajectory of a nation.doogsinparadise said:PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
Even libertarians accept that there are things that only the state can preside over. Murder is illegal, therefore the state is responsible for administering the punishment.doogsinparadise said:
Legality rests on the credibility of the state, strange argument for a libertarian to make.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
Not to mention that it takes just one court decision to brand executions cruel and unusual. -
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More -
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More -
But we aren't imprisoning someone for kidnapping specifically. They go to prison because they committed a crime and that's how we punish crime. It's not a specific eye for an eye punishment, like the death penalty is.dnc said:
By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
I realize I instigated the dictionary fight but let's clean it up real quick. The government is saying, with the death penalty, that killing people is wrong (anyone want to argue that?) and if you do it they will kill you (or that?). That is hypocritical. And, it's a fine line here, the difference between that and prison/kidnapping is intent. One is on purpose and one is coincidence. -
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH. -
I like to say I want to clean up the dictionary fight real quick, and then in my next poast quarrel about synonyms. I'm FS like that.allpurpleallgold said:
Hey, hot shot, why don't you check the synonym list of the definition you provided.PurpleJ said:
Write your own dictionary and then pop off.allpurpleallgold said:
And that bold word is special pleading. Try again.PurpleJ said:
Let's start with the definition of murder.allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
mur·der
ˈmərdər/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
HTH. -
I see your poont, but it seems to suggest that capital punishment was instituted to punish murder specifically. That's certainly not the case, as a wide variety of crimes have been capital crimes historically. Even today, both treason and desertion are capital crimes in our country. The fact murder is the only one where the death penalty ever seems to be enforced is more a statement on the severity and frequency of the act than a direct "eye for an eye" motivation IMO.allpurpleallgold said:
But we aren't imprisoning someone for kidnapping specifically. They go to prison because they committed a crime and that's how we punish crime. It's not a specific eye for an eye punishment, like the death penalty is.dnc said:
By that same token is imprisoning someone for kidnapping hypocrisy? Is fining someone for stealing hypocritical?allpurpleallgold said:Explain how punishing someone to death isn't a murder without using a logical fallacy. GOOD FUCKING LUCK.
How exactly is putting someone in prison for life tolerating murder? But since it's so important I would imagine you have a ton of evidence that shows the death penalty deters murder. Link?
I'm not super pro capital punishment, but I think the logical fallacy in this one is "death penalty = murder". We accept that government is allowed to do things individuals can't do literally every single day of our lives.
I realize I instigated the dictionary fight but let's clean it up real quick. The government is saying, with the death penalty, that killing people is wrong (anyone want to argue that?) and if you do it they will kill you (or that?). That is hypocritical. And, it's a fine line here, the difference between that and prison/kidnapping is intent. One is on purpose and one is coincidence.
And the vast majority of murders in the US don't get life in prison, let alone the death penalty (even in the capital punishment standard that is Texas), which I think weakens the eye for an eye argument as well.
But if it really bothers you I say we make molesteration a capital offense. Problem solved.
