"Accidentally" Legal Prostitution in Rhode Island decreased rape & STDs
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This is relevant in this thread why?MikeDamone said:Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin.. Liberals are all about pro choice..unless it's choosing to do something they disagree with. Conservatives are all about having the government out of our lives, expect for things they want to control. Fucking hypocrites.
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I want the US to compete with Germany and become the sex trafficking hub of the world. I want the border to be completely open so that migrant sex workers from Latin America can be more easily exploited. On balance this will be better for society.MikeDamone said:
Sounds like you care.oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's not about what I want. I don't care what consenting adults do. I don't care if they fuck prostitutes. I don't care if people use hard drugs. It's a personal choice. However some things need to stay in the shadows, not brought out into the open and be legalized, legitimatized and normalized. Legalization of prostitution will cause more harm than good. Germany's got the data to prove it.MikeDamone said:
How about leave consenting adults alone and let them life how they want...not how you want.oregonblitzkrieg said:It's always nice to get the government involved in and profiting from the sexual exploitation trade.
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OBK, the king of the logical fallacy
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Feministire - that sounds like a legit, unbiased source. Der Spiegel or Feminist Ire. Hmm. Tough choice.PurpleJ said:
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W.JWoregonblitzkrieg said:
This is relevant in this thread why?MikeDamone said:Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin.. Liberals are all about pro choice..unless it's choosing to do something they disagree with. Conservatives are all about having the government out of our lives, expect for things they want to control. Fucking hypocrites.
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Yep. Logical fallacy king. It's like your trying to be a cliche.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Feministire - that sounds like a legit, unbiased source. Der Spiegel or Feminist Ire. Hmm. Tough choice.PurpleJ said:
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About the authors:oregonblitzkrieg said:
Feministire - that sounds like a legit, unbiased source. Der Spiegel or Feminist Ire. Hmm. Tough choice.PurpleJ said:
Sonja Dolinsek is a graduate student in Contemporary History and Philosophy at Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin. Her research project focuses on the history of prostitution in the German Federal Republic since 1949, with a particular interest in the gendered construction of sex workers. She is also the founder and editor of the German news blog on human trafficking “menschenhandel heute”, where she critically engages with anti-trafficking discourses and practices. She also volunteers as a translator for PICUM (Platform for International Cooperation on Migrants). She lives in Berlin, Germany.
Matthias Lehmann is an independent German researcher currently based in Berlin after extensive stays in East Asia. A graduate of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) and Kyung Hee University, he has conducted research and fieldwork in Thailand and South Korea. In 2012, he participated in the Sex Workers’ Freedom Festival in Kolkata, official hub of the 2012 International AIDS Conference. His research focus lies on the collateral damage caused by anti-trafficking and anti-prostitution legislation, in particular where the rights of sex workers and migrants are concerned. With his on-going research project, he aims to add to the knowledge about the experiences of sex workers in South Korea.
Sounds like the people who wrote that are a hell of a lot more credible than you. Maybe you should give it a read. You might learn a thing or two. -
Sounds like you're getting things mixed up. I didn't write the Der Spiegel article. My credibility is irrelevant in this case. I'm just conveying points from their research.PurpleJ said:
About the authors:oregonblitzkrieg said:
Feministire - that sounds like a legit, unbiased source. Der Spiegel or Feminist Ire. Hmm. Tough choice.PurpleJ said:
Sonja Dolinsek is a graduate student in Contemporary History and Philosophy at Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin. Her research project focuses on the history of prostitution in the German Federal Republic since 1949, with a particular interest in the gendered construction of sex workers. She is also the founder and editor of the German news blog on human trafficking “menschenhandel heute”, where she critically engages with anti-trafficking discourses and practices. She also volunteers as a translator for PICUM (Platform for International Cooperation on Migrants). She lives in Berlin, Germany.
Matthias Lehmann is an independent German researcher currently based in Berlin after extensive stays in East Asia. A graduate of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) and Kyung Hee University, he has conducted research and fieldwork in Thailand and South Korea. In 2012, he participated in the Sex Workers’ Freedom Festival in Kolkata, official hub of the 2012 International AIDS Conference. His research focus lies on the collateral damage caused by anti-trafficking and anti-prostitution legislation, in particular where the rights of sex workers and migrants are concerned. With his on-going research project, he aims to add to the knowledge about the experiences of sex workers in South Korea.
Sounds like the people who wrote that are a hell of a lot more credible than you. Maybe you should give it a read. You might learn a thing or two. -
I am for hookers but against having to pay for it.
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I'm hearing the first 6 inches were consensual ...sarktastic said: -
hyperbole much?oregonblitzkrieg said:
They don't draw lines. HTH. Utility and the morality of the market. It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
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Fuck you're dumb.oregonblitzkrieg said:
They don't draw lines. HTH. Utility and the morality of the market. It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
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Case closed. End of discussion.MikeDamone said:
Fuck you're dumb.oregonblitzkrieg said:
They don't draw lines. HTH. Utility and the morality of the market. It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
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This poast needs to be pinned on this shitty bored. Seriously, bravo.MikeDamone said:Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same coin.. Liberals are all about pro choice..unless it's choosing to do something they disagree with. Conservatives are all about having the government out of our lives, expect for things they want to control. Fucking hypocrites.
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oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
I doubt you're that radical. But it's entertaining to throw some rotten bait out every now and then and see if you'll bite. Fire Marshal Bill asked a good question. Where exactly do you draw the line in your campaign of legalizing everything? Do you even have lines where any sense of morality comes into play and wars with your libertarian ideals?MikeDamone said:
Fuck you're dumb.oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
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Jesus. Seriously. Do you even do cursory research? . Libertarianism isn't a free for all. If person A 's actions violate the rights of Person B, then person A has no right to commit that action. I think being murdered falls into the violations of rights category.oregonblitzkrieg said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
I doubt you're that radical. But it's entertaining to throw some rotten bait out every now and then and see if you'll bite. Fire Marshal Bill asked a good question. Where exactly do you draw the line in your campaign of legalizing everything? Do you even have lines where any sense of morality comes into play and wars with your libertarian ideals?MikeDamone said:
Fuck you're dumb.oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
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So how about seat belts, helmets, basic safety equipment? GET YOUR LAWS OFF ME GOVERNMENT.
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Great, concise description of your political philosophy. Almost makes me want to not be a progressive anymore.MikeDamone said:
Jesus. Seriously. Do you even do cursory research? . Libertarianism isn't a free for all. If person A 's actions violate the rights of Person B, then person A has no right to commit that action. I think being murdered falls into the violations of rights category. -
I know you think you're a bad ass. But before you drop your mic prematurely, maybe you should explain why you think the German legalization of prostitution has been a success, if you think that it has.MikeDamone said:
Jesus. Seriously. Do you even do cursory research? . Libertarianism isn't a free for all. If person A 's actions violate the rights of Person B, then person A has no right to commit that action. I think being murdered falls into the violations of rights category.oregonblitzkrieg said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
I doubt you're that radical. But it's entertaining to throw some rotten bait out every now and then and see if you'll bite. Fire Marshal Bill asked a good question. Where exactly do you draw the line in your campaign of legalizing everything? Do you even have lines where any sense of morality comes into play and wars with your libertarian ideals?MikeDamone said:
Fuck you're dumb.oregonblitzkrieg said:
It's probable they would legalize murder if it led to a drop in the national murder rate. If they presented stats that suggested that might be the case, their leader might say, "On balance the costs to society are much higher with prohibition."Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I realize my audience here, but legalized prostitution is pretty sleazy. Where exactly do you draw the line in terms of legalizing non violent crimes?
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Gee OBK. No acknowledgement that just made look silly regarding your "rotten bait"? Nice quick subject change.
I'll have to look at it. I haven't studied the details of Germany. I have looked at Austriala and it is been successful. Maybe while I look at Germany, you could look at Austriala ? That said, legal or illegal there will be trafficking. Making it illegal doesn't stop it and there still will be some if it's legal.
Alcohol is legal and bad guys are still involved. But not like they were during prohibition.
But answer me this: why shouldn't two consenting adults be able to voluntarily and mutually decide to have sex in exchange for money/dinner/wine/diamonds/travel, etc.?
Why do you want to shove your "morality" on others? I don't do drugs and I don't think it's a good thing for people to do, but I think they have the right to do it. Same with prostitution. -
I don't care about shoving any sense of morality on others. Everyone is welcome to their own as long as their exercise of it doesn't harm others. I'm just not convinced that completely legalizing prostitution and hard drugs is a wise thing to do. In Germany underage girls from Eastern Europe are recruited and taken advantage of. You can't exactly call that voluntary. The openness and legality of prostitution there has attracted organized crime, according to the Germans. I don't think cops should be beating down your door if you decide to have sex with someone in exchange for goods or if you're privately doing drugs (I wouldn't be against the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of hard drugs like Portugal is doing--it seems to have had a positive impact). They should be focusing on more serious crime. But outright legalization is a fairly radical step that would likely be a hard sell in America. I'm guessing Australia has less of an issue with trafficking due to its geographical situation, but I'll read about it and find out.MikeDamone said:Gee OBK. No acknowledgement that just made look silly regarding your "rotten bait"? Nice quick subject change.
I'll have to look at it. I haven't studied the details of Germany. I have looked at Austriala and it is been successful. Maybe while I look at Germany, you could look at Austriala ? That said, legal or illegal there will be trafficking. Making it illegal doesn't stop it and there still will be some if it's legal.
Alcohol is legal and bad guys are still involved. But not like they were during prohibition.
But answer me this: why shouldn't two consenting adults be able to voluntarily and mutually decide to have sex in exchange for money/dinner/wine/diamonds/travel, etc.?
Why do you want to shove your "morality" on others? I don't do drugs and I don't think it's a good thing for people to do, but I think they have the right to do it. Same with prostitution. -
Here's what we should do. Take up a collection to get me a plane ticket to Germany, 3 boxes of rubbers, a disposable camera and a notepad. I will sleep with as many whores as I can and report back with my findings.
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It looks like I have made progress with you.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I don't care about shoving any sense of morality on others. Everyone is welcome to their own as long as their exercise of it doesn't harm others. I'm just not convinced that completely legalizing prostitution and hard drugs is a wise thing to do. In Germany underage girls from Eastern Europe are recruited and taken advantage of. You can't exactly call that voluntary. The openness and legality of prostitution there has attracted organized crime, according to the Germans. I don't think cops should be beating down your door if you decide to have sex with someone in exchange for goods or if you're privately doing drugs (I wouldn't be against the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of hard drugs like Portugal is doing--it seems to have had a positive impact). They should be focusing on more serious crime. But outright legalization is a fairly radical step that would likely be a hard sell in America. I'm guessing Australia has less of an issue with trafficking due to its geographical situation, but I'll read about it and find out.MikeDamone said:Gee OBK. No acknowledgement that just made look silly regarding your "rotten bait"? Nice quick subject change.
I'll have to look at it. I haven't studied the details of Germany. I have looked at Austriala and it is been successful. Maybe while I look at Germany, you could look at Austriala ? That said, legal or illegal there will be trafficking. Making it illegal doesn't stop it and there still will be some if it's legal.
Alcohol is legal and bad guys are still involved. But not like they were during prohibition.
But answer me this: why shouldn't two consenting adults be able to voluntarily and mutually decide to have sex in exchange for money/dinner/wine/diamonds/travel, etc.?
Why do you want to shove your "morality" on others? I don't do drugs and I don't think it's a good thing for people to do, but I think they have the right to do it. Same with prostitution.
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How in the fuck did you get saddled with rescuing OBK from his own stupidity as your community service project?MikeDamone said:
It looks like I have made progress with you.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I don't care about shoving any sense of morality on others. Everyone is welcome to their own as long as their exercise of it doesn't harm others. I'm just not convinced that completely legalizing prostitution and hard drugs is a wise thing to do. In Germany underage girls from Eastern Europe are recruited and taken advantage of. You can't exactly call that voluntary. The openness and legality of prostitution there has attracted organized crime, according to the Germans. I don't think cops should be beating down your door if you decide to have sex with someone in exchange for goods or if you're privately doing drugs (I wouldn't be against the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of hard drugs like Portugal is doing--it seems to have had a positive impact). They should be focusing on more serious crime. But outright legalization is a fairly radical step that would likely be a hard sell in America. I'm guessing Australia has less of an issue with trafficking due to its geographical situation, but I'll read about it and find out.MikeDamone said:Gee OBK. No acknowledgement that just made look silly regarding your "rotten bait"? Nice quick subject change.
I'll have to look at it. I haven't studied the details of Germany. I have looked at Austriala and it is been successful. Maybe while I look at Germany, you could look at Austriala ? That said, legal or illegal there will be trafficking. Making it illegal doesn't stop it and there still will be some if it's legal.
Alcohol is legal and bad guys are still involved. But not like they were during prohibition.
But answer me this: why shouldn't two consenting adults be able to voluntarily and mutually decide to have sex in exchange for money/dinner/wine/diamonds/travel, etc.?
Why do you want to shove your "morality" on others? I don't do drugs and I don't think it's a good thing for people to do, but I think they have the right to do it. Same with prostitution.
Next time just nod to the judge and try to look remorseful
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I'm saving the world one low information voter at a time.sarktastic said:
How in the fuck did you get saddled with rescuing OBK from his own stupidity as your community service project?MikeDamone said:
It looks like I have made progress with you.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I don't care about shoving any sense of morality on others. Everyone is welcome to their own as long as their exercise of it doesn't harm others. I'm just not convinced that completely legalizing prostitution and hard drugs is a wise thing to do. In Germany underage girls from Eastern Europe are recruited and taken advantage of. You can't exactly call that voluntary. The openness and legality of prostitution there has attracted organized crime, according to the Germans. I don't think cops should be beating down your door if you decide to have sex with someone in exchange for goods or if you're privately doing drugs (I wouldn't be against the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of hard drugs like Portugal is doing--it seems to have had a positive impact). They should be focusing on more serious crime. But outright legalization is a fairly radical step that would likely be a hard sell in America. I'm guessing Australia has less of an issue with trafficking due to its geographical situation, but I'll read about it and find out.MikeDamone said:Gee OBK. No acknowledgement that just made look silly regarding your "rotten bait"? Nice quick subject change.
I'll have to look at it. I haven't studied the details of Germany. I have looked at Austriala and it is been successful. Maybe while I look at Germany, you could look at Austriala ? That said, legal or illegal there will be trafficking. Making it illegal doesn't stop it and there still will be some if it's legal.
Alcohol is legal and bad guys are still involved. But not like they were during prohibition.
But answer me this: why shouldn't two consenting adults be able to voluntarily and mutually decide to have sex in exchange for money/dinner/wine/diamonds/travel, etc.?
Why do you want to shove your "morality" on others? I don't do drugs and I don't think it's a good thing for people to do, but I think they have the right to do it. Same with prostitution.
Next time just nod to the judge and try to look remorseful
