A Q for the bored

MikeDamone

I read that Sandusky's son is going go on Oprah and tell about how he was abused by Sandusky. It got me thinking... It is known that victims of abuse often become abusers. Would there be any sympathy if any of Sandusky's victims were ever identified as molesters themselves? If Sandusky was a victim of abuse would there be any sympathy for him?

I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?

DerekJohnson

that is a great question and speaks to the need to discern truth rather than to judge it.

AZDuck

Sounds to me like you're being a twister

Swaye

You forgot to add "asking for a fren."

MikeDamone

Swaye said:

You forgot to add "asking for a fren."

I didn't forget...

GrundleStiltzkin

MikeDamone said:

Swaye said:

You forgot to add "asking for a fren."

I didn't forget...

Swaye

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

MikeDamone

Swaye said:

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Then you would go to jail for shooting someone....

HuskyJW

There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.

That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.

MikeDamone

HuskyJW said:

There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.

That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.

So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?

What should be done with molestation victims?

I found this in a study

"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."

bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full

oregonblitzkrieg

What about HH members who are abused by other poasters and then become abusive poasters themselves? Do you feel any sympathy for them?

MikeDamone

oregonblitzkrieg said:

What about HH members who are abused by other poasters and then become abusive poasters themselves? Do you feel any sympathy for them?

No. They should be shot.

HuskyJW

I'm sure there might be some that have the sentiment "poor kid never stood a chance." Maybe even a grain of truth to it.....but you're older now and you know it's wrong.

MikeDamone said:

HuskyJW said:

There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.

That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.

So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?

What should be done with molestation victims?

I found this in a study

"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."

bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full

oregonblitzkrieg

MikeDamone said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

What about HH members who are abused by other poasters and then become abusive poasters themselves? Do you feel any sympathy for them?

No. They should be shot.

Does this mean they are less valuable than rhinos? Or are you saying that some of them need to be shot in order to ensure that a healthy herd of abusive posters survives?

Swaye

MikeDamone said:

Swaye said:

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Then you would go to jail for shooting someone....

I would invoke the "Stand Your Ground Law," whether it existed in that State or not.

dflea

Swaye said:

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.

OZONE

MikeDamone said:

Swaye said:

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Then you would go to jail for shooting someone....

If he shot someone (and then went to jail)... will the shooting victim have a higher chance of becoming a shooter? And if so, if caught, would that victim, turned shooter, get some sympathy for first being a shooting victim?

Almost reminds me of one of the secular theories behind the idea of original sin.

PostGameOrangeSlices

Swaye said:

You forgot to add "asking for a fren."

LOW FUCKING TWEAK

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poty

allpurpleallgold

I have sympathy for the abusers. Whether they were abused or not. There is something wrong them.

allpurpleallgold

dflea said:

Swaye said:

But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.

Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.

MikeDamone

I haven't totally thought through how I feel about this. In general, I think yes, the molester should be held accountable and be punished. But knowing the reason he became a molester in the first place was his inability to deal with the trauma of being a victim, I think makes me less to jump on the typical profiles in courage response to shoot him or say that he should be put in prison and chained to a wall so he can be raped daily like you read so many people say and post in comments sections.

The real question is once someone is a victim, what could be done to prevent them from being a perpetrator?

I just find it ironic how the victim garners so much sympathy, but if that same victim turn perpetrator, so many advocate the most cruel and violent punishment.

It seems most often people just react to what's in front of them at the moment and then just go about their business without much thought. It's the outrage of the day mentality combined with short attention spans that have taken over. That and if you come express outrage over something on the surface, many people are doing it as a way to create an image of themselves on how they are seen by others...they really don't give a fuck about the issue as much as they are expressing. If you followed up with them 2 months later, you would find that other than being pissed off for 10 minutes at the time, they haven't lifted a finger to help solve the problem.