Another American institution the left has destroyed........

46XiJCAB

thechatch said:

UE was 3.9% in 2000 and we had zero issue recruiting to the military.

But that was different. We’ve obviously had low EU in the past and military recruiting was not effected. Prepare for Dazzler to deflect and double-down on his BS.

HHusky

The girls want to kvetch about military recruitment.

But economics and demographics are off limits.

Good luck the rest of the way, ladies.

46XiJCAB

HHusky said:

The girls want to kvetch about military recruitment.

But economics and demographics are off limits.

Good luck the rest of the way, ladies.

And there it is.

Take the loss and crawl back under your rock.

Loser.

thechatch

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Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

Now you want to tell me that minimum wage + a 28k one time endowment is competitive with the US Military? 28k ain’t 80% of tuition unless we’re talking about community college.

If I’m 18, a two year run with the army before having my college essentially paid for sounds better than working at Dicks, even with the market freedom to go get a job at McDonald’s if I decide I don’t like re-stocking soccer cleats.

Oh wait it sounds like McDonald’s isn’t hiring right now…..

Also I’m not a girl, HH.

Unemployment is 3.6%. And you trannies can’t figure out why that affects military recruitment.

You wanted to have a serious conversation, but we’re one serious thinker short.

You don't want to talk about the facts but you want to have a "serious conversation"?

I always get a kick out of rats who make up excuses and ignore those who actually served or are currently serving. They see what biden has done to the service and they want nothing to do with it.

But don't listen to me hh. Read the comment to the article from a veteran and tell him he doesn't know what he is talking about". You rats have fucked this up coming and going.


"The Biden Administration launched a most successful psych operation to drive scores of thousands away from the military. SecDef initiated the false flag operation that the military is a vast collection of white supremacists. The message alienated every recruiting demographic. Caucasians received the message that they're always racial scapegoats. Everyone else received notice that they're only a victim by serving. Next, Biden reduced physical performance standards for females to ensure inequality is institutionalized. The Navy simply dropped PT standards for a year. Further, the military remains openly vilified by America's education system from K-12 through universities. High schools and colleges routinely prohibit or obstruct military recruiters. Teachers and administrators perpetually debase, dehumanize, and ridicule military service. The legacy media and Hollywood all depict military service through the psychotic, loner character. Consequently, the majority of young people believe they'll be grievously harmed physically or psychology from serving. Finally, the Left Wing has won their pyrrhic victory. Mandarin language lessons for all Comrade."

It’s not any of that. The economy is so good it’s just too hard to recruit these days. They need to pay more and ditch the two year commitment.

Don’t like doing push-ups? Just quit and get a minimum wage job at Dick’s.

Recession-proof companies like Walmart and McDonalds are or have conducted massive layoffs.

I’m sure the 18yo working a register at Dick’s will be fine. You can’t order athletic retail off Amazon, after all.👍

thechatch

HHusky said:

The girls want to kvetch about military recruitment.

But economics and demographics are off limits.

Good luck the rest of the way, ladies.

I told you I was fine having a discussion about military recruitment in the context of compensation and market competition.

In fact that’s what I wanted to focus on, because your assertion that a cash register job at a sporting goods store was financially competitive and allowed the worker freedom to move in between jobs doesn’t pencil.

I accept your surrender.

HHusky

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

The girls want to kvetch about military recruitment.

But economics and demographics are off limits.

Good luck the rest of the way, ladies.

In fact that’s what I wanted to focus on, because your assertion that a cash register job at a sporting goods store was financially competitive and allowed the worker freedom to move in between jobs doesn’t pencil.

So serious.

RaceBannon

thechatch said:

UE was 3.9% in 2000 and we had zero issue recruiting to the military.

And that number was far closer to reality than what we get today

thechatch

RaceBannon said:

thechatch said:

UE was 3.9% in 2000 and we had zero issue recruiting to the military.

And that number was far closer to reality than what we get today

Let’s see if he addresses it or not….

thechatch

HHusky said:

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

The girls want to kvetch about military recruitment.

But economics and demographics are off limits.

Good luck the rest of the way, ladies.

In fact that’s what I wanted to focus on, because your assertion that a cash register job at a sporting goods store was financially competitive and allowed the worker freedom to move in between jobs doesn’t pencil.

So serious.

I did the math.

Minimum wage + 28k is less than minimum wage(with a shit ton of perks) + 80% of 150k

I’ll double check it on my calculator if you want but I’m fairly confident….

Sledog

HHusky said:

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

thechatch said:

HHusky said:

Imagine our cheery band of “thinkers” considering a labor shortage in the civilian economy as JUST PERHAPS a part of the equation.

Want soldiers? Pay ‘em.

It wasn’t our decision to raise the MW to 20.00/hr and then spend ourselves into 9% inflation.

GI Bill still pays for college, and these days that’s a lot of money, tax free. Two years active duty gets 80% of all tuition handled by Uncle Sam. That’s pretty damn good.

You can argue with the market or meet it. It’s a good time to be a job seeker and most workers retain the freedom to change jobs easily. What’s the minimum commitment required by the Armed Services?

2 years active and then some kind of reservist duty following, IIRC.

MS is a good deal, provided you aren’t being sent to a place like Iraq, Ukraine or Afghanistan to fight in some war for corrupt politicians and their defense contractor donor base.

The military has always been a jobs program to some degree. It can’t realistically be an at will employer though. So when the demand for workers is high it has trouble finding and retaining them.

Whining about “wokeness” is still just whining.

I don’t think I was ever whining about anything, but let’s assume the recent “wokeness” of the military is a flashpoint issue for some on the board here, or with a percentage of potential enrollees…

Do you have data points that suggest this recent cultural policy pivot has been a net positive for enrollment?

Are you telling me we’d be even worse off with military recruitment if we didn’t have transgender awareness week as part of basic training?

Or are you just saying that, given the current job market, a two year salaried commitment to active duty that gets the vast majority of your college tuition paid for just isn’t good enough for the kids these days, and we need to re-think what we comp our recruits.

Because while I’m willing to entertain a discussion on the latter, the former is fucking stupid.

There is a lot of bullshit people put up with in large employer organizations if the pay and benefits are right. The Armed Forces have to do more when people have perceived alternatives. They aren’t the only employers that offer pay and benefits.

A kid can go to work at Dicks and get some tuition assistance. He can also quit instantly in favor of a better job.

When the civilian opportunities are there, or perceived to be, military recruitment will struggle. When civilian opportunities are few, sitting through some lecture on inclusiveness just isn’t a big deal. You just sleep with your eyes open and wait it out.

And that’s not to ignore the fact that your civilian employer may also have some woke nonsense for you to pretend to care about.

You’re gonna tell me that Dick’s sporting goods offers a competitive salary compensation and college tuition program with the United States Military?

https://www.ddir.com/employment/

No two year commitment to work at Dicks. You’re still free to explore your civilian opportunities.

You girls were for low unemployment before you were against it.

Now you want to tell me that minimum wage + a 28k one time endowment is competitive with the US Military? 28k ain’t 80% of tuition unless we’re talking about community college.

If I’m 18, a two year run with the army before having my college essentially paid for sounds better than working at Dicks, even with the market freedom to go get a job at McDonald’s if I decide I don’t like re-stocking soccer cleats.

Oh wait it sounds like McDonald’s isn’t hiring right now…..

Also I’m not a girl, HH.

Unemployment is 3.6%. And you trannies can’t figure out why that affects military recruitment.

You wanted to have a serious conversation, but we’re one serious thinker short.

Since your side wipes millions off the unemployment roles to cook the employment rate numbers you quoting it just makes you a bigger bullshitter than they are.