Lacrosse is for the poor/unskilled kids that couldn't cut it on the ice
From the years I covered lacrosse on the Eastside, those kids by and large were not poor
True. It's considered preppy in WA, dunno about east coast
You mentioning east coast sparked a memory for me. Woodinville Lacrosse hired a Notre Dame grad to be their head coach. He came out to WA and the team under his watch was performing beneath expectations if I remember correctly. I was covering one match and the coach got pissed off and started cursing at the refs loudly and continuously. So in my story I described how the coach lost his cool and was unleashing a verbal tirade on the refs.
A couple weeks later I was covering them at Mercer Island. Before and during the match I noticed the coaching staff was avoiding interacting with me. Then after the match I went up to the head coach for the interview and he told me to go talk to somebody else. So I interviewed the equipment guy or something like that and went home and wrote my story.
After the season was over I heard that during a team meeting my name came up and the head coach was railing against my article and me for having wrote it. An assistant coach spoke up and said that all I was doing was describing what happened and in fact some of the parents had been embarrassed by the coach's behavior. Some of the kids reportedly spoke up saying similar things. And it turned into a big, contentious meeting that got really emotional. When the season ended, the coach resigned and headed back east to New Hampshire or something like that. My memories of him are of an arrogant and elite kind of guy. Anyway, I didn't find out that my article had sparked a ruckus until a few months after the season had ended, when an assistant coach described it to me.
Lacrosse is for the poor/unskilled kids that couldn't cut it on the ice
From the years I covered lacrosse on the Eastside, those kids by and large were not poor
True. It's considered preppy in WA, dunno about east coast
You mentioning east coast sparked a memory for me. Woodinville Lacrosse hired a Notre Dame grad to be their head coach. He came out to WA and the team under his watch was performing beneath expectations if I remember correctly. I was covering one match and the coach got pissed off and started cursing at the refs loudly and continuously. So in my story I described how the coach lost his cool and was unleashing a verbal tirade on the refs.
A couple weeks later I was covering them at Mercer Island. Before and during the match I noticed the coaching staff was avoiding interacting with me. Then after the match I went up to the head coach for the interview and he told me to go talk to somebody else. So I interviewed the equipment guy or something like that and went home and wrote my story.
After the season was over I heard that during a team meeting my name came up and the head coach was railing against my article and me for having wrote it. An assistant coach spoke up and said that all I was doing was describing what happened and in fact some of the parents had been embarrassed by the coach's behavior. Some of the kids reportedly spoke up saying similar things. And it turned into a big, contentious meeting that got really emotional. When the season ended, the coach resigned and headed back east to New Hampshire or something like that. My memories of him are of an arrogant and elite kind of guy. Anyway, I didn't find out that my article had sparked a ruckus until a few months after the season had ended, when an assistant coach described it to me.
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If I remember right, that kid wasn’t just from ND, he’s the son of the head corch Corrigan who’s been there like 35 years. Csb
I go with US News & World Report. People take shots at it, but other rankings put too much emphasis one or two things and spits out results that are hard to justify unless all you care about is one of those things. For example, Arizona has a much larger research budget than Georgetown, and always will, but the student body at Georgetown is several cuts above the student body at Arizona, and always will be. So the World rankings, which rely on that measure very heavily were meaningless to me when choosing where my kids would go to school. Here is the US News ranking of the P12, national university category:
I'd say that's about right, and yes, including as it relates to Oregon. I begrudgingly think they under-rank ASU and WSU, but I also don't care.
The location of this discussion is everything about the point of view on Oregon, but if you actually go look at their CDS numbers, it's consistent with this at least insofar as the quality of students is concerned, which to me is the main thing in choosing where you go to undergrad. They do have their areas in which they excel and they are only starting to see the fruits of having their own independent board of trustees. They raised almost $700 million last year alone. You won't find this anywhere, but there has been some rumblings about re-associating OHSU with UofO again. That would help them in a number of ways. I would not sleep on them.
Btw,
Ohio State #49 Miami #55
I wouldn't put Miami ahead of Washington because Washington is better at more things than Miami (as it is relative to Oregon). But Miami has been a harder school to get into for a long time. I don't know about today, but historically it has been.
The guy who made the rankings went to the #52 (probably 100+ accounting for bias) school.
Interesting thing about OU and Alabama: they have been spending lots of money trying to lure kids with money to beef up their academic standing. So, for example, if you're a NMF, no matter how much money your parents have, you can go to Bama on a full academic scholarship. As a result, both of those schools have lured kids in who have great stats (and of course there are still many who don't), but their rankings have never reflected it. Bama has way more NMFs than Washington, even though UW is a better school. There is a snobbery of sorts in academia that fits well with the blue blood/Mt. Rushmore obsession by some on this board. It holds that academic prestige is a fairly permanent pecking order and it takes forever to change. I think that's part of it, along with a snotty attitude about having to buy smart kids. The elite schools generally don't do that (buy smart kids) ... because they don't have to.
I go with US News & World Report. People take shots at it, but other rankings put too much emphasis one or two things and spits out results that are hard to justify unless all you care about is one of those things. For example, Arizona has a much larger research budget than Georgetown, and always will, but the student body at Georgetown is several cuts above the student body at Arizona, and always will be. So the World rankings, which rely on that measure very heavily were meaningless to me when choosing where my kids would go to school. Here is the US News ranking of the P12, national university category:
I'd say that's about right, and yes, including as it relates to Oregon. I begrudgingly think they under-rank ASU and WSU, but I also don't care.
The location of this discussion is everything about the point of view on Oregon, but if you actually go look at their CDS numbers, it's consistent with this at least insofar as the quality of students is concerned, which to me is the main thing in choosing where you go to undergrad. They do have their areas in which they excel and they are only starting to see the fruits of having their own independent board of trustees. They raised almost $700 million last year alone. You won't find this anywhere, but there has been some rumblings about re-associating OHSU with UofO again. That would help them in a number of ways. I would not sleep on them.
Btw,
Ohio State #49 Miami #55
I wouldn't put Miami ahead of Washington because Washington is better at more things than Miami (as it is relative to Oregon). But Miami has been a harder school to get into for a long time. I don't know about today, but historically it has been.
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A couple weeks later I was covering them at Mercer Island. Before and during the match I noticed the coaching staff was avoiding interacting with me. Then after the match I went up to the head coach for the interview and he told me to go talk to somebody else. So I interviewed the equipment guy or something like that and went home and wrote my story.
After the season was over I heard that during a team meeting my name came up and the head coach was railing against my article and me for having wrote it. An assistant coach spoke up and said that all I was doing was describing what happened and in fact some of the parents had been embarrassed by the coach's behavior. Some of the kids reportedly spoke up saying similar things. And it turned into a big, contentious meeting that got really emotional. When the season ended, the coach resigned and headed back east to New Hampshire or something like that. My memories of him are of an arrogant and elite kind of guy. Anyway, I didn't find out that my article had sparked a ruckus until a few months after the season had ended, when an assistant coach described it to me.
CSB
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Stanford #3
Cal #20
UCLA #20
USC #25
UW #55
Colorado #97
Arizona #105
Oregon #105
Utah #105
ASU #121
OSU #151
WSU #212
I'd say that's about right, and yes, including as it relates to Oregon. I begrudgingly think they under-rank ASU and WSU, but I also don't care.
The location of this discussion is everything about the point of view on Oregon, but if you actually go look at their CDS numbers, it's consistent with this at least insofar as the quality of students is concerned, which to me is the main thing in choosing where you go to undergrad. They do have their areas in which they excel and they are only starting to see the fruits of having their own independent board of trustees. They raised almost $700 million last year alone. You won't find this anywhere, but there has been some rumblings about re-associating OHSU with UofO again. That would help them in a number of ways. I would not sleep on them.
Btw,
Ohio State #49
Miami #55
I wouldn't put Miami ahead of Washington because Washington is better at more things than Miami (as it is relative to Oregon). But Miami has been a harder school to get into for a long time. I don't know about today, but historically it has been.
Duke, ND, a bunch of Ivies. I'd say without reservation* that it's not a poor kid's sport.
*@Swaye's people excepted, obviously
If Jen keeps UW in the PAC I'M OUT
New flash: UW and UO don't want anyone besides themselves to get higher revenue share.