Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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So another vote for as long as it takes.
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Yes, Russia hasn't made many territorial gains since 2022, but that's because of the support Ukraine has received, not in spite of it. Dropping it would be disastrous. This war started in 2014, not 2022, and we shouldn't discount what has happened before 2022. Ukraine has been fighting this war for a decade. The world fucked up by letting Russia waltz in in 2014, and we're seeing the fruits of our lack of labor. It's a fucking powder keg in Ukraine, and Putin has no intentions of stopping his territorial ambitions in Ukraine and elsewhere. It's loose cannon shit, I've taken a deep dive into this guy and modern Russia. He's on a Manifest Destiny kick and it won't stop until he dies, and even then it could conceivably get worse. Let's not make that mistake of letting more shit happen before it gets out of hand. Russia needs to be neutered or they need a revolution.
I hope we all realize that many great disasters have been avoided over time because of people and efforts that keep them from happening. It is nearly impossible to gauge ROI on the security measures that have prevented things from happening. Climate science, surgeon general warnings on cigarette boxes, COVID transmission protocols, etc, they all fall under this umbrella. Real warning signs present themselves, people do something about it, the thing that we were warned about doesn't present itself to the extreme. That's a GOOD thing, not evidence of lies, conspiracies, or anything of the sort. Shit happens, we hopefully catch it early, and shit gets taken care of before a head gasket blows. That's fucking progress and it's the right thing to do for the future. Of course the process isn't going to be perfect all the time, and there will be questions, but we can't let perfect be the enemy of good. This is a long haul, not a drag race. Global security is a very real thing that is essential. This quagmire in Ukraine qualifies as essential. Trust.
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Russia waltzed in, in 2014 because we funded and provoked an overthrow of the Ukraine government. It didn’t just happen for the hell of it.
The US getting more involved is what will lead to shit getting out of hand that you are saying we need to do more to prevent.
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You really didn't address anything I said. American security is a good thing. The globe can work it out. I'm disgusted about the dems and the neocons fixation with a corrupt nation like Ukraine over are own security on the southern border. Like I said, if the Euros don't want to deal with Putin, then why should we? The chicoms are the big problem and our southern border. Maybe investing in some US oil and gas production and shipping LNG to the chicoms and the Euros would put a huge dent in Putin's military budget. The NATO expansion had nothing to do with American security, just more of the MIC happy to play Uncle Sugar for a big payout at the expense of real US military preparation paid for by more US debt.
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Joe told Putin he could only stick the tip in. Putin is keeping his end of the bargain.
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Some of these endless Ukraine war supporters must not have been adults for the Iraq 2 quagmire experience and its aftermath. Hell, we haven’t even entered the war yet with US troops but that will happen when Biden steals another election this fall. Way too unpopular to do it before the election.
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The claims in here that America and Ukraine caused what's happening in Ukraine will always leave me in stunned silence. I got nothing, Bob.
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It's delusion
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I was talking about 2014. Where Russia took Crimea with no resistance while Zelensky was busy shelling his own people that wanted no part of him.
