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"Baby bonds". And they say they aren't socialists.

BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,045 Standard Supporter
Baby bonds is a new term for wealth distribution/socialism. Rats have now put together a bill that would put $1,000 (then up to $2000 every year) in the bank for every newborn black child, less to Hispanic newborns, less to whitey, and continue to fund it until they are 18 and then "wisely" give immature 18 yr. olds the money on their birthday.

The average black 18 yr. old would have $30K, latino would have $22K and whitey would have $11K.

Did I mention that this bill is retroactive to anyone born after 2005?

This of course would be paid in full by drastically increasing the estate and inheritance taxes of whitey, who the authors brazenly say are the reasons for all of the minority problems.

The authors say that we have to pass this bill "immediately" and it has been sponsored by both the rat house and senate.

Now, let me ask you all a question. Do any of you, including our resident rats, believe that 18 yr. olds who didn't have to do shit for their cash windfall are going to appreciate it and spend it on an education or invest it for retirement? How much of the billions will be spent on frivolous trinkets like cars, clothes and other income siphoning spending habits? How much on drugs, booze, partying, guns or travel?

If I hadn't read this article with my own eyes, I would never have believed that grown adults would ever call this a good idea.

Corey Booker is a fucking idiot.

The article is incredible. It reads like a parody.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-propose-baby-bonds-close-racial-wealth-gap-black-lives-black-wealth-matter

House and Senate Democrats this week proposed a bill that would instruct the federal government to give anyone born in the U.S. after 2005 a $1,000 "seed savings account," and then make contributions to that account until they are 18 — a plan that sponsors say is aimed at closing America’s "racial wealth gap."

They estimate that children in the poorest families would have $46,000 to use for school or buying a home by the time they turn 18, and Booker said in a statement that the plan is explicitly aimed at fixing "wealth inequality."

Pressley was more explicit and said the change would help "Black and brown folks."

"The racial wealth gap in America is the result of generations of precise and intentional policy violence, so we must be as intentional and as precise about advancing policies that address it head on," she said in a statement introducing the bill.

"Baby Bonds are one of the most effective tools we have for closing the racial wealth gap and breaking the cycles of poverty and trauma that have prevented Black and brown folks from thriving in this country, so it is no surprise that this idea has gained traction in states across the country."

"Black lives and Black wealth matter, which is why Congress must pass our bill without delay," she added.

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  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,638 Swaye's Wigwam
    I’m against all of this shit, but if we are going to do some sort of reparations, this isn’t the worst variety. A better variety would be some sort of first time home buyer credit that helps with a down payment or something. Something that isn’t super liquid and washable and addresses one of the central concerns which is that the wealth gap is mostly around home ownership equity.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,397 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    I’m against all of this shit, but if we are going to do some sort of reparations, this isn’t the worst variety. A better variety would be some sort of first time home buyer credit that helps with a down payment or something. Something that isn’t super liquid and washable and addresses one of the central concerns which is that the wealth gap is mostly around home ownership equity.

    Well, the wealth gap could be explained that educated and disciplined individuals get married to like kind individuals and save and have a credit history that allows them to buy a house. Rewarding sloth and ignorance with a house they can't afford has already been tried and we got the 2007 housing bubble and the current housing bubble.
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,638 Swaye's Wigwam

    Bob_C said:

    I’m against all of this shit, but if we are going to do some sort of reparations, this isn’t the worst variety. A better variety would be some sort of first time home buyer credit that helps with a down payment or something. Something that isn’t super liquid and washable and addresses one of the central concerns which is that the wealth gap is mostly around home ownership equity.

    Well, the wealth gap could be explained that educated and disciplined individuals get married to like kind individuals and save and have a credit history that allows them to buy a house. Rewarding sloth and ignorance with a house they can't afford has already been tried and we got the 2007 housing bubble and the current housing bubble.
    I agree with all of that. All I’m saying is if we are going to do some type of wealth steal, this way is preferable to cash handouts.
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,045 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    I’m against all of this shit, but if we are going to do some sort of reparations, this isn’t the worst variety. A better variety would be some sort of first time home buyer credit that helps with a down payment or something. Something that isn’t super liquid and washable and addresses one of the central concerns which is that the wealth gap is mostly around home ownership equity.

    I see where you are going and I also get Westlinn's point. My problem is, I am tired of rewarding poor decision making. Giving 18 yr. olds from poor neighborhoods $40K hardly sparks confidence that we aren't just pissing money down a rat hole.

    There is virtually nothing in this bill that addresses the systemic problems in the black community. This is common sense stuff and these politicians still don't get it. They think if we just throw other people's money at the minority population they will miraculously be saved.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,064 Founders Club
    Marry a white guy


    Too soon?
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,397 Standard Supporter

    Bob_C said:

    I’m against all of this shit, but if we are going to do some sort of reparations, this isn’t the worst variety. A better variety would be some sort of first time home buyer credit that helps with a down payment or something. Something that isn’t super liquid and washable and addresses one of the central concerns which is that the wealth gap is mostly around home ownership equity.

    I see where you are going and I also get Westlinn's point. My problem is, I am tired of rewarding poor decision making. Giving 18 yr. olds from poor neighborhoods $40K hardly sparks confidence that we aren't just pissing money down a rat hole.

    There is virtually nothing in this bill that addresses the systemic problems in the black community. This is common sense stuff and these politicians still don't get it. They think if we just throw other people's money at the minority population they will miraculously be saved.
    Put the BS unconstitutional reparations away, then take the public education dollars and let those dollars follow the student. That's a lot more than $40k so if a kid and his parents want a real education, then the market will produce it.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,242
    Stop having kids out of wedlock. That would be the greatest anti-poverty program you could design and it wouldn't cost anyone a red cent. I don't know about any of you but there was no generational wealth passed onto me ever in my life. When I graduated from high-school, I received a crisp new $50 in a fake leather wallet and that was the extent of my "wealth" redistribution. I've worked since I was 13, I put myself through college and paid off all the loans I took out in order to pay for it. No one has given me shit.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    SFGbob said:

    Stop having kids out of wedlock. That would be the greatest anti-poverty program you could design and it wouldn't cost anyone a red cent. I don't know about any of you but there was no generational wealth passed onto me ever in my life. When I graduated from high-school, I received a crisp new $50 in a fake leather wallet and that was the extent of my "wealth" redistribution. I've worked since I was 13, I put myself through college and paid off all the loans I took out in order to pay for it. No one has given me shit.

    All of this accomplished on stolen land on the backs of POC.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,965 Standard Supporter
    That whole equal application of law get removed from the constitution and no one told me?
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,626

    Baby bonds is a new term for wealth distribution/socialism. Rats have now put together a bill that would put $1,000 (then up to $2000 every year) in the bank for every newborn black child, less to Hispanic newborns, less to whitey, and continue to fund it until they are 18 and then "wisely" give immature 18 yr. olds the money on their birthday.

    The average black 18 yr. old would have $30K, latino would have $22K and whitey would have $11K.

    Did I mention that this bill is retroactive to anyone born after 2005?

    This of course would be paid in full by drastically increasing the estate and inheritance taxes of whitey, who the authors brazenly say are the reasons for all of the minority problems.

    The authors say that we have to pass this bill "immediately" and it has been sponsored by both the rat house and senate.

    Now, let me ask you all a question. Do any of you, including our resident rats, believe that 18 yr. olds who didn't have to do shit for their cash windfall are going to appreciate it and spend it on an education or invest it for retirement? How much of the billions will be spent on frivolous trinkets like cars, clothes and other income siphoning spending habits? How much on drugs, booze, partying, guns or travel?

    If I hadn't read this article with my own eyes, I would never have believed that grown adults would ever call this a good idea.

    Corey Booker is a fucking idiot.

    The article is incredible. It reads like a parody.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-propose-baby-bonds-close-racial-wealth-gap-black-lives-black-wealth-matter

    House and Senate Democrats this week proposed a bill that would instruct the federal government to give anyone born in the U.S. after 2005 a $1,000 "seed savings account," and then make contributions to that account until they are 18 — a plan that sponsors say is aimed at closing America’s "racial wealth gap."

    They estimate that children in the poorest families would have $46,000 to use for school or buying a home by the time they turn 18, and Booker said in a statement that the plan is explicitly aimed at fixing "wealth inequality."

    Pressley was more explicit and said the change would help "Black and brown folks."

    "The racial wealth gap in America is the result of generations of precise and intentional policy violence, so we must be as intentional and as precise about advancing policies that address it head on," she said in a statement introducing the bill.

    "Baby Bonds are one of the most effective tools we have for closing the racial wealth gap and breaking the cycles of poverty and trauma that have prevented Black and brown folks from thriving in this country, so it is no surprise that this idea has gained traction in states across the country."

    "Black lives and Black wealth matter, which is why Congress must pass our bill without delay," she added.

    Im opening a pot shop if this gets passed
  • georgiaduckgeorgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,041 Swaye's Wigwam
    My sister in law is a sloth. Dropped out of high school at 15 and then began a series of even worse decisions. We’ve had to step in several times to pay rent, hire lawyers, ever bought her a used car on two occasions.

    When my mother in law passed she left money to both daughters. We put my wife's share into a college savings plan. Sister in law decided to not work for 18 months and once the money ran out begged for "Just a little help" to pay for rent, car payments, etc.

    Not saying that every minority kid is going to blow through $40K in two weeks- but history shows when folks get money without earning it (ie lottery winners)- they tend to spend it recklessly. My guess is many would never see it at 18 because lots of young parents will sign away the cash for $10K up front.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,242

    My sister in law is a sloth. Dropped out of high school at 15 and then began a series of even worse decisions. We’ve had to step in several times to pay rent, hire lawyers, ever bought her a used car on two occasions.

    When my mother in law passed she left money to both daughters. We put my wife's share into a college savings plan. Sister in law decided to not work for 18 months and once the money ran out begged for "Just a little help" to pay for rent, car payments, etc.

    Not saying that every minority kid is going to blow through $40K in two weeks- but history shows when folks get money without earning it (ie lottery winners)- they tend to spend it recklessly. My guess is many would never see it at 18 because lots of young parents will sign away the cash for $10K up front.

    People aren't poor in this country because they lack money, they are poor on account of the choices they've made in their lives. Giving these people a big wad of cash isn't going make them start making better choices in their lives. It will almost certainly facilitate the making of more bad choices.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,397 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    My sister in law is a sloth. Dropped out of high school at 15 and then began a series of even worse decisions. We’ve had to step in several times to pay rent, hire lawyers, ever bought her a used car on two occasions.

    When my mother in law passed she left money to both daughters. We put my wife's share into a college savings plan. Sister in law decided to not work for 18 months and once the money ran out begged for "Just a little help" to pay for rent, car payments, etc.

    Not saying that every minority kid is going to blow through $40K in two weeks- but history shows when folks get money without earning it (ie lottery winners)- they tend to spend it recklessly. My guess is many would never see it at 18 because lots of young parents will sign away the cash for $10K up front.

    People aren't poor in this country because they lack money, they are poor on account of the choices they've made in their lives. Giving these people a big wad of cash isn't going make them start making better choices in their lives. It will almost certainly facilitate the making of more bad choices.
    It's like leftards haven't ever lifted their heads up from reading Mao's Little Red Book during their Madrassa training and took a look around at the real world and how people actually act. Geezus.
  • georgiaduckgeorgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,041 Swaye's Wigwam

    SFGbob said:

    My sister in law is a sloth. Dropped out of high school at 15 and then began a series of even worse decisions. We’ve had to step in several times to pay rent, hire lawyers, ever bought her a used car on two occasions.

    When my mother in law passed she left money to both daughters. We put my wife's share into a college savings plan. Sister in law decided to not work for 18 months and once the money ran out begged for "Just a little help" to pay for rent, car payments, etc.

    Not saying that every minority kid is going to blow through $40K in two weeks- but history shows when folks get money without earning it (ie lottery winners)- they tend to spend it recklessly. My guess is many would never see it at 18 because lots of young parents will sign away the cash for $10K up front.

    People aren't poor in this country because they lack money, they are poor on account of the choices they've made in their lives. Giving these people a big wad of cash isn't going make them start making better choices in their lives. It will almost certainly facilitate the making of more bad choices.
    It's like leftards haven't ever lifted their heads up from reading Mao's Little Red Book during their Madrassa training and took a look around at the real world and how people actually act. Geezus.
    I can't remember the democrat who said it back in the 90's- but they referred to successful people as "Those who have won life's lottery". It's just that simple- people who have done well only got their by sheer luck.
  • AlexisAlexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,150 Swaye's Wigwam
    Goduckies said:

    Baby bonds is a new term for wealth distribution/socialism. Rats have now put together a bill that would put $1,000 (then up to $2000 every year) in the bank for every newborn black child, less to Hispanic newborns, less to whitey, and continue to fund it until they are 18 and then "wisely" give immature 18 yr. olds the money on their birthday.

    The average black 18 yr. old would have $30K, latino would have $22K and whitey would have $11K.

    Did I mention that this bill is retroactive to anyone born after 2005?

    This of course would be paid in full by drastically increasing the estate and inheritance taxes of whitey, who the authors brazenly say are the reasons for all of the minority problems.

    The authors say that we have to pass this bill "immediately" and it has been sponsored by both the rat house and senate.

    Now, let me ask you all a question. Do any of you, including our resident rats, believe that 18 yr. olds who didn't have to do shit for their cash windfall are going to appreciate it and spend it on an education or invest it for retirement? How much of the billions will be spent on frivolous trinkets like cars, clothes and other income siphoning spending habits? How much on drugs, booze, partying, guns or travel?

    If I hadn't read this article with my own eyes, I would never have believed that grown adults would ever call this a good idea.

    Corey Booker is a fucking idiot.

    The article is incredible. It reads like a parody.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-propose-baby-bonds-close-racial-wealth-gap-black-lives-black-wealth-matter

    House and Senate Democrats this week proposed a bill that would instruct the federal government to give anyone born in the U.S. after 2005 a $1,000 "seed savings account," and then make contributions to that account until they are 18 — a plan that sponsors say is aimed at closing America’s "racial wealth gap."

    They estimate that children in the poorest families would have $46,000 to use for school or buying a home by the time they turn 18, and Booker said in a statement that the plan is explicitly aimed at fixing "wealth inequality."

    Pressley was more explicit and said the change would help "Black and brown folks."

    "The racial wealth gap in America is the result of generations of precise and intentional policy violence, so we must be as intentional and as precise about advancing policies that address it head on," she said in a statement introducing the bill.

    "Baby Bonds are one of the most effective tools we have for closing the racial wealth gap and breaking the cycles of poverty and trauma that have prevented Black and brown folks from thriving in this country, so it is no surprise that this idea has gained traction in states across the country."

    "Black lives and Black wealth matter, which is why Congress must pass our bill without delay," she added.

    Im opening a pot shop if this gets passed
    The judges would have also accepted a custom rim and tire shop.
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    edited February 2023
    SFGbob said:

    My sister in law is a sloth. Dropped out of high school at 15 and then began a series of even worse decisions. We’ve had to step in several times to pay rent, hire lawyers, ever bought her a used car on two occasions.

    When my mother in law passed she left money to both daughters. We put my wife's share into a college savings plan. Sister in law decided to not work for 18 months and once the money ran out begged for "Just a little help" to pay for rent, car payments, etc.

    Not saying that every minority kid is going to blow through $40K in two weeks- but history shows when folks get money without earning it (ie lottery winners)- they tend to spend it recklessly. My guess is many would never see it at 18 because lots of young parents will sign away the cash for $10K up front.

    People aren't poor in this country because they lack money, they are poor on account of the choices they've made in their lives. Giving these people a big wad of cash isn't going make them start making better choices in their lives. It will almost certainly facilitate the making of more bad choices.
    The US Gov. gave the Klamath Indians wads of cash when they purchased their land. You can read the stories of how that money was spent.

    The smart ones did well by it, others blew through it quite quickly. That money would be to close to $500K today.

    I suspect we’d see the same types of outcomes.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,965 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2023
    My friend grew up on the rez. He told me stories how they spend it. It doesn't last long for most. When everything shows up free of hard work it is squandered. Houses, cars you name it.
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