Happy 26th birthday to Jake Locker
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He'd be an all-pro safety. Or not.
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This post is Nebraska fan classy
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Does he have a brother named Jack?
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I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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Jake never got as much coaching as he needed in college and as a pro has struggled a bit with consistency (see coaching issues) and an ability to stay healthy.
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That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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He'd be Taylor Mays at BEST. How many pro bowl white safeties are there in the NFL? I'll be waiting.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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He should have come to Oregon, where he would have been utilized to his fullest talents.
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Sadly, agree.OZONE said:He should have come to Oregon, where he would have been utilized to his fullest talents.
Now go crash your float plane into a cannibal pygmy village.
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Based on what? My speculation is based on the phenomenal athlete we saw in 2007, when he ran out there and didn't have to think and could play rat ball. Former pro athletes were claiming he would win 2 Heismans. As a safety, he would have been a much better fit and wouldn't have gotten bogged down with the mental aspect of the game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
He'd be Taylor Mays at BEST. How many pro bowl white safeties are there in the NFL? I'll be waiting.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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The expectations for Jake were always ridiculous. He's a hell of an athlete, but he's really not that crazy of an athlete compared to other guys in the NFL. At the combine, he ran a 4.59. That's not that good for a safety, and many LB's in the NFL are that fast. His athleticism stood out as a QB. I'm not sure it would stand out as much at another position.DerekJohnson said:
Based on what? My speculation is based on the phenomenal athlete we saw in 2007, when he ran out there and didn't have to think and could play rat ball. Former pro athletes were claiming he would win 2 Heismans. As a safety, he would have been a much better fit and wouldn't have gotten bogged down with the mental aspect of the game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
He'd be Taylor Mays at BEST. How many pro bowl white safeties are there in the NFL? I'll be waiting.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
We've been over this before, but who is playing QB instead of him? Bonnell and Fouch sucked. The only viable option was Price as a R-Fr and by that point there was no way Locker was coming out. -
And Ty never really used him as Oregon uses their mobile QB's eitherRoadDawg55 said:
The expectations for Jake were always ridiculous. He's a hell of an athlete, but he's really not that crazy of an athlete compared to other guys in the NFL. At the combine, he ran a 4.59. That's not that good for a safety, and many LB's in the NFL are that fast. His athleticism stood out as a QB. I'm not sure it would stand out as much at another position.DerekJohnson said:
Based on what? My speculation is based on the phenomenal athlete we saw in 2007, when he ran out there and didn't have to think and could play rat ball. Former pro athletes were claiming he would win 2 Heismans. As a safety, he would have been a much better fit and wouldn't have gotten bogged down with the mental aspect of the game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
He'd be Taylor Mays at BEST. How many pro bowl white safeties are there in the NFL? I'll be waiting.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
We've been over this before, but who is playing QB instead of him? Bonnell and Fouch sucked. The only viable option was Price as a R-Fr and by that point there was no way Locker was coming out. -
Or.... He can't hit the broad side of a barn more than half of the time.Tequilla said:Jake never got as much coaching as he needed in college and as a pro has struggled a bit with consistency (see coaching issues) and an ability to stay healthy.
I still think he's got a nice season or two as a professional in him.
There's that. Strong arm, great runner. No accuracy.
I do think it's cute that some Doogs continue to hang onto the coaching excuse as to why He isn't an accurate passer.
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Ty and Lappano basically had Locker play rat ball like Derek said. Run around to buy time to find someone get open or try and get upfield. It looked like there was no structure at all. Sark tried to make Locker a pro style QB and took away his biggest strength which was running the football. Locker was thinking way too much under Sark. He succeeded when you consider Locker was picked 8th, but Locker's actual production sucked.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
And Ty never really used him as Oregon uses their mobile QB's eitherRoadDawg55 said:
The expectations for Jake were always ridiculous. He's a hell of an athlete, but he's really not that crazy of an athlete compared to other guys in the NFL. At the combine, he ran a 4.59. That's not that good for a safety, and many LB's in the NFL are that fast. His athleticism stood out as a QB. I'm not sure it would stand out as much at another position.DerekJohnson said:
Based on what? My speculation is based on the phenomenal athlete we saw in 2007, when he ran out there and didn't have to think and could play rat ball. Former pro athletes were claiming he would win 2 Heismans. As a safety, he would have been a much better fit and wouldn't have gotten bogged down with the mental aspect of the game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
He'd be Taylor Mays at BEST. How many pro bowl white safeties are there in the NFL? I'll be waiting.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
We've been over this before, but who is playing QB instead of him? Bonnell and Fouch sucked. The only viable option was Price as a R-Fr and by that point there was no way Locker was coming out.
He was never used right. He should have been a poor man's Cam Newton. At Oregon, he might have even had Cam Newton type production. It's crazy to think what Locker could have done at Oregon when you consider Masoli and Darron Thomas were succeeding. I know some of the Oregon fans hold Thomas in high regard, but he fucking sucks. I watched him play arena while working out a couple weeks back and he's terrible. -
Pretty on point with the "rat ball" description.RoadDawg55 said:
Ty and Lappano basically had Locker play rat ball like Derek said. Run around to buy time to find someone get open or try and get upfield. It looked like there was no structure at all. Sark tried to make Locker a pro style QB and took away his biggest strength which was running the football. Locker was thinking way too much under Sark. He succeeded when you consider Locker was picked 8th, but Locker's actual production sucked.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
And Ty never really used him as Oregon uses their mobile QB's eitherRoadDawg55 said:
The expectations for Jake were always ridiculous. He's a hell of an athlete, but he's really not that crazy of an athlete compared to other guys in the NFL. At the combine, he ran a 4.59. That's not that good for a safety, and many LB's in the NFL are that fast. His athleticism stood out as a QB. I'm not sure it would stand out as much at another position.DerekJohnson said:
Based on what? My speculation is based on the phenomenal athlete we saw in 2007, when he ran out there and didn't have to think and could play rat ball. Former pro athletes were claiming he would win 2 Heismans. As a safety, he would have been a much better fit and wouldn't have gotten bogged down with the mental aspect of the game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
He'd be Taylor Mays at BEST. How many pro bowl white safeties are there in the NFL? I'll be waiting.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
We've been over this before, but who is playing QB instead of him? Bonnell and Fouch sucked. The only viable option was Price as a R-Fr and by that point there was no way Locker was coming out.
He was never used right. He should have been a poor man's Cam Newton. At Oregon, he might have even had Cam Newton type production. It's crazy to think what Locker could have done at Oregon when you consider Masoli and Darron Thomas were succeeding. I know some of the Oregon fans hold Thomas in high regard, but he fucking sucks. I watched him play arena while working out a couple weeks back and he's terrible.
For being a dual-threat QB, Locker had the least amount of designed runs called for him out of any fucking mobile QB in NCAA history. Ever.
It's a travesty how many good players have been misused at UW this past decade. -
"You can't flag a moderator's post, even when he should be telling Jack Lockner that it's time to grow up and get a real job."DerekJohnson said:Even though I still believe he should have been converted to safety, here's to a great season working in tandem with Bishop Sankey in the Titans' backfield.
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When you've had several different coaches and you still aren't improving, is it really a coaching problem?Tequilla said:Jake never got as much coaching as he needed in college and as a pro has struggled a bit with consistency (see coaching issues) and an ability to stay healthy.
I still think he's got a nice season or two as a professional in him.
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Winner. Case closed.OZONE said:He should have come to Oregon, where he would have been utilized to his fullest talents.
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This.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Sadly, agree.OZONE said:He should have come to Oregon, where he would have been utilized to his fullest talents.
Now go crash your float plane into a cannibal pygmy village.
And make sure the pygmy's you crash into are stocked up with jagged flint and napalm. -
most of the QBs drafted in the first round don't pan out and I'd say that Locker has already panned out better than most first round QBs... or at least average. Not bad for a kid from Ferndale who had to deal with Tyrone and Sark and keep a pretty modest team competitive against an insane out of conference schedule.
I still remember how he almost single handedly kept that Ohio State game pretty close. -
I love me some DJ (ILTCHDJ) but I always thought the Locker to safety argument was FS. The dropoff from Jack to whatever dreck was backing him up was ginormous. No way in hell he would have been a good enough safety to overcome the dropoff at QB. And the idea that he'd be some star at safety is super far fetched as RoadDawg already addressed. We think the guy who can't stay healthy as a QB was going to to suddenly hold up at strong safety? Nega please.
Yes, the doogs way overrated Lockner as a QB, but that doesn't mean we would have been better off with one of his shit dick backups. Definite abundance. -
Jack is a well spoken hard working player who brings his lunch pale to work every day. Type of guy you'd want your son to be and daughter to date.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
When you've had several different coaches and you still aren't improving, is it really a coaching problem?Tequilla said:Jake never got as much coaching as he needed in college and as a pro has struggled a bit with consistency (see coaching issues) and an ability to stay healthy.
I still think he's got a nice season or two as a professional in him.
And yes Lockner is a coach killer.
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Are you fucking kidding me with that bullshit? Lockner is 8-10 as a starter in his career. Starting 18 games in three years alone is below average for a first round quarterback.Meek said:most of the QBs drafted in the first round don't pan out and I'd say that Locker has already panned out better than most first round QBs... or at least average. Not bad for a kid from Ferndale who had to deal with Tyrone and Sark and keep a pretty modest team competitive against an insane out of conference schedule.
I still remember how he almost single handedly kept that Ohio State game pretty close. -
Locker had an 86.7 rating last year, completed almost 61% of his passes last year, and had a comparable yards per attempt as Tom Brady and Andrew Luck last year to name just a couple.
I'm not dooging it up on Locker, but there's a lot of people that IMO have always been harsher on him than has been deserved. -
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/draft.htmTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Are you fucking kidding me with that bullshit? Lockner is 8-10 as a starter in his career. Starting 18 games in three years alone is below average for a first round quarterback.Meek said:most of the QBs drafted in the first round don't pan out and I'd say that Locker has already panned out better than most first round QBs... or at least average. Not bad for a kid from Ferndale who had to deal with Tyrone and Sark and keep a pretty modest team competitive against an insane out of conference schedule.
I still remember how he almost single handedly kept that Ohio State game pretty close.
The first round for QB's as you'd put it was a "fucking dreckfest" and that's being kind.
Newton: He's good
Locker: Bust
Gabbert: Bust
Ponder: Bust
Second round was much better though.
Dalton: He sucks but at least gets to the playoffs
Kaepernik: Might be the best in this draft
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Being a back up quarterback is the best job in sports. Locker is well on his way to living the dream.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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Not sure how long he'll last as a backup. The NFL prefers smart, accurate backups (see Tebow's departure for details).allpurpleallgold said:
Being a back up quarterback is the best job in sports. Locker is well on his way to living the dream.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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Locker is going to do well next year IMO.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Not sure how long he'll last as a backup. The NFL prefers smart, accurate backups (see Tebow's departure for details).allpurpleallgold said:
Being a back up quarterback is the best job in sports. Locker is well on his way to living the dream.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
Titans are a better all-around team -
Tarvaris Jackson??????TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Not sure how long he'll last as a backup. The NFL prefers smart, accurate backups (see Tebow's departure for details).allpurpleallgold said:
Being a back up quarterback is the best job in sports. Locker is well on his way to living the dream.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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Charlie Whitehurst says hi. Locker has more talent then him. If you have talent and don't cause problems (Vince Young), you will last for awhile. Locker isn't Tebow.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Not sure how long he'll last as a backup. The NFL prefers smart, accurate backups (see Tebow's departure for details).allpurpleallgold said:
Being a back up quarterback is the best job in sports. Locker is well on his way to living the dream.DerekJohnson said:
That discounts the idea that maybe he flourishes as a safety and makes big time money in a second contract. What about you? Would you rather be mediocre and make a huge payday, or take a chance on playing your natural position for a chance at greatness and big paychecks later on?RoadDawg55 said:I never thought Locker was a great QB, although he was always misused. I never really understood the safety argument though. If you get picked 8th playing QB, you are in the right spot. A backup QB in the NFL makes a couple million. A back up safety plays for the league minimum.
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